Downtown Sports Bar and Grill on Glenwood South Accused of Racism

Downtown Sports Bar and Grill on Glenwood South Accused of Racism

June, 18, 2012 , by Jedidiah

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Downtown Sports Bar and Grill on Glenwood South is getting a lot of heat on the internet for a handful of complaints that it unfairly treats black customers, including kicking them out of the bar for no apparent reason. It seems that the bar, known for all you can eat wings, big televisions and college night is in deep water from a handful of customers who claim they were recently kicked out of the bar for, seemingly, no other reason than their race. 

Over at a NCCU instructor Philip Christman's blog, he points the public to a letter from one of his former students who claims that he was kicked out of the Downtown Sports Bar and Grill (still can't get over this name) over the weekend for what was seemingly racist reasons. A cop outside stated that she had seen similar things happened at this bar and that the bartender has covered up his story in the past with witnesses. Sure enough, it happened again and the accuser, 21 year old Jonathan Wall, details the aftermath below. 

Just then, the man who threw me out came to the front door. I pointed him out to the officer, and she approached him to talk about the incident. They talked for about 3 minutes before she came back to me and said, “I knew this was going to happen. Now, I don’t believe him one bit, but he says that he has three people who witnessed you throw an elbow at him before he restrained you.” Shocked is an understatement. As I said earlier, I talked in a non-confrontational, clam and respectful tone, and didn’t even gesture when talking. There is no way that he could have perceived me as having thrown an elbow and I didn’t understand how three people would lie and say that I did. I asked the officer about video camera footage. If the club used cameras, they would show the conversation, and his aggressiveness in constraining me despite me posing no threat and remaining calm throughout the conversation and his constraining me. She said that it would require a search warrant and that there was “No telling” how the video could be edited, tampered with, or even done away with before it would be required to be handed over to the investigators. What troubled me about my conversation with the officer was that she seemed to assume the worst case scenario in every possible solution to my encounter. She kept talking about how much paper work would be involved, as if that were going to deter me from seeking justice.

We won't get into more detail but will send you over to Christman's blog where you can read Wall's full account and the comments (over 100), many of which are claiming similar racist treatment at the bar. We also won't republish another person's email without their knowledge or permission, but can say that there is a very passionate person in the comments section trying to take action if you are interested in tagging along and helping them out. 

The man who put his hands on Mr. Wall and kicked him out is Todd Chriscoe, seen here and here for previous infractions, and is said to have done this many times before to others.

We spoke with Mr. Wall tonight and he told us that he has "received over 50 emails and messages, about half from people who've been in situations similar to mine. The only unique aspect of my story is that I didn't let the request for "membership" at the door stop me from going in. A few others were kicked out, but most were just refused entry at the door, as the bouncer tried to refuse entry to my two friends and I."

The sad part about this is the bar seems to be trying to enforce a "you don't belong here" policy relative to multiple factors, including race and dress. Unfortunately, when you look through the photos of the bar, there's nothing upscale about the place and it's basically a glorified sports bar trying to weed out customers based on petty, and possibly illegal, factors. Living in the progressive city that Raleigh has become over the past few years, it's very unfortunate to see this narrow-minded behavior happening in our city. Pretty sure it's 2012, not 1812.

Have you had the same thing happen to you at the Downtown Sports Bar and Grill? Let us know in the comments.

You can find Johnathan Wall on Twitter at @imfromraleigh








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  • EB
    06/18 10:58 PM

    Really is sad that this happens! As mixed of a cOmmunity that is around that area you should never be doing these things. The guy attacked does not even look like he would be in that environment but yet he was harassed like he was trying to rob the place.

    Businesses like this should not be able to thrive in the heart of downtown or even in the outskirts of the city. There is a special place for those who are promoting racism and creating unneeded hostile environments for the Raleigh community. We are entirely too progressive to be making these steps back. Gut this business out

  • EB
    06/18 10:58 PM

    Really is sad that this happens! As mixed of a cOmmunity that is around that area you should never be doing these things. The guy attacked does not even look like he would be in that environment but yet he was harassed like he was trying to rob the place.

    Businesses like this should not be able to thrive in the heart of downtown or even in the outskirts of the city. There is a special place for those who are promoting racism and creating unneeded hostile environments for the Raleigh community. We are entirely too progressive to be making these steps back. Gut this business out

  • J
    06/18 11:12 PM

    It’s really interesting that this story has been posted as almost the exact same thing happened to me and two people I was with at Downtown Sports Bar and Grill.  I just recently moved back to Raleigh after being gone for 5 years so I joined a meetup group for trivia here. Things were fine during the day. I left along with the meetup group and went to other bars in the area with no incident.  Later that night, about 11:00 me and two other guys (all of us African American) came back. We are all dressed in jeans with collard button up shirts and dress shoes.  We were allowed in and two of us went to the bar while another went to the restroom.  We had not been inside two minutes when the same Todd guy walks up to us and says buy a drink or get out of my bar.  I ask him if he is serious and he states that he is. He says again, buy a drink or get out of my bar.  So instead of making a scene we just leave and determine to never go again.  Sad that this sort of thing still happens.

    I guess I got my welcome to Glenwood South.  Not what I was expecting.

  • James Murchison
    06/18 11:22 PM

    I posted this on the other board but I feel like posting it here also.

    The SAME DAMN THING happened to me and my friends Im from Raleigh and I always witness racism on Glenwood luckily I have a friend who works the door at Solas, and Noir so we’re always good, but 606 is good for this “Membership night” bullshit. But at DSBar they tried to deny us entry because i had on a toboggan but my roommates were good with hats. I gave the white door boy a hard time until he said ok go in but put it in your pocket. I obliged and went straight to the bathroom and told my roommate to give me his hat, the reason i wore a toboggan was because i didnt have a haircut. He said cool and before we could walk out of the bathroom 2 big black bouncers and the owner came into the bathroom and overheard us talkin shit about the place, i saw them and continued to talk shit they followed us out and a few minutes later the bouncer came to me and said buy a drink or you have to leave, i told em im the designated driver and laughed in his face. Once we reached the dance floor i was flabbergasted at how many white boys had on toboggans! The scene was wack drunk white chicks everywhere and a terrible dj, so i told my friends come watch this…I proceeded to walk to the front door and walked out behind a white boy with a toboggan who kept coming and going with no problem, i then scolded the door boy and said oh i thought u couldnt enter with toboggans?!?! he told me go away and i cursed and talked my shit for a few and told ALL my boys to record it on their phones in case the officer standing next to him tried to act dumb. He tried to flex and say ill pound u in to the ground. im 6’1 215 he was all of 5’9 160 i told the officer i bet if i told him id pound his face in u would arrest me for threats, he just smiled and said sir i understand ur anger…i gave the door boy a good 2 min bitchin then told em come down the street n see me then. He didnt….He told me dont come back…BUT me being the asshole i am…I went to the back door where the smokers go and returned to the club! Came back up to the front door and said im back! what u gon do? u aint got ur officer to save u…he laughed it off and kept talkin to the two girls that were standing beside him. Moral of the story is DO NOT go there. I pray for the day i see the door boy walking down the street alone…but racism is ramped on Glenwood. A few spots are good tho, The Black Flower Bar, they never give u a hard time and have great drink specials, Miarage is pretty good, and Noir isnt to bad…But we all know they would rather tell us no and ship us off to Bodi, or another black club.

  • A concerned citizen
    06/19 12:05 AM

    Well, with your clever command of the English language, no wonder you were so well respected from them all. Try to string a sentence together, if you can. Hey, while you’re at it, give correct grammar a shot. Then your idle threats come next. Probably should have never let you in the first time.

  • MA
    06/19 12:10 AM

    I have seen the racisim many times in the area. A caucasian gentleman had on nice pants, a t-shirt and tennis shoes, the bouncer let him in. One of my friends had on slacks, a fitted shirt with a vest, and shoes from Aldo (casual sneakers) and the bouncer told him he could not go in because he had on sneakers. Everyone clearly pointed out that he had just let the gentleman in with sneakers.The main difference was race. The police officer at the door next to the bouncer could just shake his head and look away because he knew it was wrong, but he was getting paid as an off duty cop, so what could he do right? Bystanders were amazed at what happened. I pray for the day when we all will considered equal. Caucasian, African, African-American, Hispanic, Indian, Asian, etc. we are all brothers and sisters and in teh struggle together. Spreading knowledge on events like these and sheding light is of extreme importance. Take care and god bless.

  • Rachel
    06/19 12:17 AM

    A group has been started on facebook. show your support by joining…..... STOP RACE DISCRIMINATION AT DOWNTOWN SPORTS BAR NOW is the name….. we’ve started a movement. Jon we’re with you bro. He’s the sweetest kid. There’s a reason this happened to him. It’s unfortunate but God chose the right person for situations like this to be brought to the light.


    STOP RACE DISCRIMINATION AT DOWNTOWN SPORTS BAR NOW

  • smitty
    06/19 12:28 AM

    The “gentleman” who owns this retarded establishment also owns Napper Tandy’s.  I doubt any of the NR folks frequent either establishment but just in case.

  • James Murchison
    06/19 12:43 AM

    Lol u sound like the owner…u must be one of his bitch ass henchmen, scared to post ur name due to the fact that ur a bitch just like him! Im college educated and make more than u do, that hurts huh? Lol hope u sleep good at night hiding behind a “concerned citizen” name. Be a man, dont be like ur boss.

  • smitty
    06/19 12:49 AM

    Hi James.  No, I’m not the owner, although I’ve met him.  And I hope you kept the receipt from whatever “college” you graduated from.

  • smh
    06/19 01:06 AM

    Smitty how was your service at this bar? Have you ever been threatened? Do you think this act is justified, I know you are caught up on the grammar. Humor us, tell us how you really feel. Despite some errors I’m sure you are smart enough to decipher the message that the writer is trying to convey.

  • James Murchison
    06/19 01:07 AM

    Who’s talking to you Smitty? lol the guilty yell when they feel the heats on em…Try agian tho, ur jokes are corny as hell…but you all have never been good at that.

  • Isaac Horton
    06/19 01:14 AM

    TWO RALEIGH NATIVES GO TO DOWNTOWNSPORTS BAR TO GET ALLEGED RACIST SPORTS BAR’S COMMENTS, http://youtu.be/8L4DwCgG-dM

  • Co
    06/19 01:16 AM

    yeap! these type of situations happens aaallllllllll the time, I swear I had the same situation at FUBAR..But When I got grabbed, it was on! for Absolutely No Reason!. It only happened once to me, and Raleigh Police think everybody is Drunk/Hallucinating. They always believe the bartenders/bouncers because they think they’re sober, they just have home court advantage, Cops don’t care, I don’t even know why they are there, Just to get drunk drivers, they don’t care about the PEOPLE!, they just care about job security, They are the assholes if anybody. It has always been like this, I SAY WE STAY STRAP WITH SOMETHING, I do, Nobody gonna grab me up, I’m stabbing off! I always keep a razor in my wallet, just for this situation to come around again. But I know people at almost every bar now from bar hoppin, so I don’t have that issue, But its fucked up! They Take our money, Never give us our change back, Short our drinks! Charge us extra, ridiculous, I just try to stick to one bar now..that’s why I loved 5’0 clock sports bar with Elyse Kline, Katie Crabtree, and Michael Vassil Cleanest, Fairest, Best bouncer/ bartenders in raleigh…! and all the others that worked there….Just imagine if a bar opened and didn’t let white people in on “Glennwood”, That bar would of have been shut down, facebook would of been the last to hear about it…Its seriously should be some type of enforcement people can use because bouncers just can’t continue to do this for no reason…I guess they won’t do anything until somebody comes back and shoot the place up, never do anything until somebody is killed..

  • smitty
    06/19 01:20 AM

    Oh, my bad.  Sorry James I thought you were talking to me.  Anyways, congratulations Raleigh.  You wanted urban, you got it. 

  • John Smith
    06/19 04:51 AM

    Whats sad is many are posting their ‘this happened to me’ stories about mostly other places and has nothing to do with the downtown sports bar and have not even been to it.

  • John Smith
    06/19 04:56 AM

    Whats even worse is how so many can jump on the bandwagon and to try to get this place shut down with out having any clue of real facts.  They hire africian-americans!.  So now we have people even complaining about african-americans discriminating against africian-americans

  • Elliot
    06/19 07:39 AM

    John,

    Then those individuals that had pleasant experiences at DSBG need to speak up and refute the accusations. At the moment Yelp, Google Reviews, and the comment section all tell the story of an environment that at it’s worst is racist and aggressive or at the very least, hostile.

    Smitty,

    Who said anything about wanting to be “urban,” I think like to think the people of Raleigh are just wanting the city to be fair.

  • no
    06/19 08:16 AM

    story about racist bar draws racists to the comment section. thanks “smitty” and “concerned citizen” for your delightful contributions

  • Philip A. Christman
    06/19 08:29 AM

    I feel like I should clarify that I’m technically an instructor (at NCCU), not a professor. (I’m not that fancy.) Thanks to New Raleigh for covering this, and sorry about all the racist troglodytes in your comments section. I’ve been fighting off an infection of that myself.

  • an unsurprised citizen
    06/19 08:40 AM

    gotta love trashcan south

  • Marianne
    06/19 02:37 PM

    Its really appalling that this establishment has gotten away with treating people in this way for as long as it has. It sounds like there are enough occurrences of racially motivated assault and discrimination to file a civil suit against them. I would also recommend starting a petition of Change.org, perhaps urging ACLU and NAACP involvement and civil action.

  • m
    06/19 02:39 PM

    In 2002 he was in trouble for the same issue at a Raleigh night club called the office. He has been cited for fighting patrons of establishments and even aiding an under age person drinking, who then left the bar and killing himself in an auto accident.

  • pmaster
    06/19 03:06 PM

    This kind of things happens all over the country now and it’s really because of one reason…

    These bars are TERRIFIED of being associated with an “urban” crowd or being perceived as “ghetto” because it drives all the white customers away. It’s been the death knell for a lot of bars. As soon as large groups of minorities frequent a bar or club, it scares most of the white folks away. I’ve seen it happen countless times.

    Nothing wrong with trying to shake the “ghetto” or “urban” image, but blatantly denying entry to respectable looking people based solely on race isn’t the way to go.

  • Squirrelbaby
    06/19 03:19 PM

    All races should just use my strategy of dry humping the bouncer until he lets me and my friends in. #drunkwhitegurl101

    On the twitterz: @Squirrelchat

  • c
    06/19 03:25 PM

    m: who is “he” referring to? You forget these comments aren’t strung by reply.

  • Sam
    06/19 03:54 PM

    I hated this place before it was cool, back when it was called Stool Pigeons

  • krock
    06/19 04:14 PM

    i have to agree with pmaster here. 

    i’ve seen the same thing play out in charlotte to a few of the watering holes that i use to frequent following college graduation.  i think some of the places on glenwood south are terrified of losing their ‘white’ college atmosphere.

    do not shoot the messenger.

  • steelcity36
    06/19 04:24 PM

    I thought you had to have a special key to get into this place. Did the people involved in the incidents have a key or were they guests of someone who had a key?

  • Kenneth
    06/19 04:27 PM

    Calling people “white door boy”, staying strapped, keeping razors in your wallet, saying someone needs to shoot up the place, bitch ass henchmen? I’m sure everyone is shocked that such a fine upstanding memeber of the community got thrown out of a bar.

  • Steve_NY
    06/19 04:43 PM

    Oh look, Kenneth making up stuff… classy. Shocking such a fine upstanding member of southern society throwing around stereotypes.

  • TuffJew
    06/19 04:59 PM

    Buku is guilty of race profiling as well.  Multiple occasions.

  • Temi Ajibulu
    06/19 05:00 PM

    Some time ago last fall (2011), I visited the downtown sports bar and grill on glenwood and entered the venue without any issues. I was wearing a fitted baseball cap, similar to a majority of the individuals in the venue and was there to have a drink while watching a college football game that night. No sooner than than when I sat down, I was approached by an individual (whom I later discover to be Mr. Tod Chriscoe), telling me to take off my hat or leave. Without questioning him, I took my hat off. I thought at first that this was just an egocentric bouncer who wanted to enforce his own set of rules, different from everyone else who worked there. Once he walked away, I proceeded to put my hat back on. Within minutes, the same individual returned to me and told me to leave. Confused, I pointed to him at a number of individuals, most of whom happened to be Caucasian, who also were wearing hats. He didn’t care. I had already purchased a drink from the venue and left my card at the bar. I told him that I had a tab open and he then decided to retract his statement, saying that (and I paraphrase) “if he caught me with my hat on again that I would have a short night.” I didn’t know whether to take such as a threat to kick me out, or a suggestion that a physical confrontation would ensue. I was by myself and immediately turned uncomfortable with my surroundings. I decided then that it would be in my best interest to close my tab and find another venue to watch the game. I did not report this initially, as I thought such would fall on blind eyes and/or deaf ears. However, I am appalled to see that I am not the only case and am now elated to share my encounter. Thank you.

    Temi Ajibulu
    Howard University MBA Student

  • WILLNCSU
    06/19 05:27 PM

    That owner is a nutjob, I have heard stories for years about him harrasing and generally acting insane towards his beer reps from local distributors.  Its not just minorities, although they may get it worse.  The dude is a nutjob.  Much better places to watch a game downtown anyway.

  • j
    06/19 05:51 PM

    horrible lede paragrah

  • Kenneth Yowell
    06/19 05:57 PM

    Steve_NY, read the comments. I made up nothing.

  • Steve_NY
    06/19 06:15 PM

    You made up that Wall said any of those things. He got thrown out for being black. But I see what you did there… all alike right?

  • d08
    06/19 06:20 PM

    Downtown Raleigh/Glenwood S. has the tendency to be pretentious, prejudicial and biased with the clientele it selects to entertain in its establishments. It’s downtown Raleigh for crying out loud!  Who does it think it is?!!

  • Southern California
    06/19 06:30 PM

    This comment is to convey how pathetic the establishment, its city, and its police force looks to another part of its nation.  We are ashamed to call you a part of our United States.

    Sincerely,

    California

  • Annie
    06/19 06:49 PM

    I’m sorry - you think that because a bar hires African Americans, it can’t possibly discriminate against them as customers? That’s just patently absurd. It happens all the time. All. The. Time. I have no doubt this happened pretty much just as Wall recounted it, and there’s no place for it in this country. It’s also plainly illegal, so there’s that.

  • Wolverine McWeiner
    06/19 07:20 PM

    The blacks are just going there for the all you can eat wings, big televisions, and college night in hopes of hooking up with fat white chicks. But then again, if you act like an animal you should be thrown out and asked not to return! Blacks are good for messing up anything that as the potential to be nice. Thats why they can never have anything nice, yet they always cry out that they’re oppressed! Just my 2 cents!

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/19 07:29 PM

    Sad !!! But at the same time this is not the only sports bar in Glenwood South committing Racist acts….The other Bars just more undercover with their actions and I’ve experienced little Slaps of Racism on Glenwood South myself…And this is not the first time The area has been involved with Racist behavior..When the downtown Raleigh Clubs first started taking off years ago Some and we have to stress NOT ALL Raleigh Night clubs and bars had the same problem even hit the local news with a undercover investigative report in which they got caught committing these hateful racist acts….Just Sad !

  • Sabrina
    06/19 07:36 PM

    4 months ago was my last time going to that place. The manager made an announcement that whoever was not buying drinks needed to leave. My friend and I brushed it off and kept dancing since we had already bought drinks. The manager wanted to be rude and approach us 1st accusing us of not buying anything thing. He even had the nerve to try and say my friend and myself had just got there, We were there for almost 2 hours. I refuse to hold on to a full/empty cup of alcohol when the place was already packed and most people’s drink ended up on the floor because everyone was bumping into each other.  Mind you, I had my receipt where I closed my bar tab and showed it to the manager. He made some comment about not liking my attitude and wanted the bouncers to kick us out. The same bouncers that checked our id did not even come to our aid. Excuse me for not wanting to get a dwi or being one of those barely just became legal, stick thin chicks who can barely keep a drink in their hand. The female bouncer I guess felt somewhat sorry for us later on and asked if we could at least buy something. That was it for me, so we left.

  • Reggie Mantle
    06/19 07:36 PM

    How about this: fuck Downtown Sports Bar, let’s go somewhere else. I mean, please. What does this place have that anyone would feel bad at being slighted there?

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/19 07:48 PM

    Wolverine McWeiner !!! That’s the problem people like you lumping everybody in the same pot !!! And then we get problems !!! I have seen alot of Whites mostly on Glenwood acting a fool and causing serious problems on the stripe, drunk as skunks, white girls dancing and dang near striping their clothes off and the police let this go !!! I wonder why??? The truth is it’s ok because their white ..Let blacks start tripping like this on Glenwood and see what happens Raleigh police would just love to scoop them up and haul them to jail !!! So please stop with the lumping all blacks together CRAP !!! It’s getting old just like Racism !!! Disclaimer..I know all whites are not racist and all blacks don’t act a fool in the club so LET’S GET A SOLUTION !!!

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/19 07:54 PM

    Reggie Mantle…You have to confront the HATE !!! Kick Hates ass and then go somewhere else !!! Can’t always turn the other cheek..If you don’t remember history then it will repeat it’s self !

  • LadyKatie
    06/19 07:55 PM

    This is completely outrageous. I can’t imagine the outrage I would feel if I was allowed into a bar and my friends, or even someone in line with me, was denied due to some fabricated reason. Someone should convince everyone allowed in on “membership” evenings to expect, promote, and demand free drinks between 6pm and 1am. If they’re going to make up a “membership”, the patrons should be able to make up perks. I’m imagining something with t-shirts. Make the owner regret his racism and pathetic excuse to enforce it.

  • Based Boy
    06/19 07:58 PM

    Fvck you, Wolverine you racist prick. This guy probably works there.

  • Marky Mark
    06/19 07:58 PM

    In the interest of racial harmony, I have no problem with the police letting the black, asian, and latino girls dance and dang near strip their clothes off as well.

  • KY
    06/19 08:00 PM

    It’s pretty disgusting that this kind of thing continues to happen, even in an area as diverse as the Triangle. Hopefully this will be resolved soon, and the owners of these establishments will be shown that this kind of behavior is definitely not okay.

    Also, Steve_NY, Kenneth’s comments were pretty obviously directed at a couple of previous comments, not at Wall.

  • Based Boy
    06/19 08:01 PM

    We need to start going after these low-rent places that have these bogus anti-‘urban’ dress codes and ‘memberships’. Typically they’re just a smokescreen for racism. NO- “Just stay away” isn’t going to cut it anymore.

  • Angelo Rojas
    06/19 08:05 PM

    LOL Squirrelbaby. You may be on to something.


    Pmaster & Krock summed it up fairly well. Bar owners fear for their establishment’s reputation when the demographic starts to swing towards the urban side. Frankly, a lot of bars end up closing and reopening when that happens. Seen it time and time again.

    I’ve been a promoter for two Hispanic oriented clubs in FL and even they will straight up stand at the door and block brothas from getting in. Mostly cuz they’re sick of them messing with female patrons. Definitely not condoning this BS though.

  • Big Guy
    06/19 09:33 PM

    Wow, I just heard about this today at the gym.  Coming home tonight I decided to search the story to make sure that is what was happening.  About 4 months ago, my girlfriend and myself (both white middle class, post college graduates) along with my gf’s two friends, one black and one white who were here from out of town decided to go out.  They were here for a wedding and we wanted to show them NC.  Well we go to the DTSB, we all go through the line, and our black friend doesnt get in.  His jeans were supposedly too baggy (the white guy who was with us had holes in his jeans and his jeans were baggier) After convincing the doucebag bouncer that he was in fact a middle class AA with a full-time job and benefits, he reluctantly let us in.  I will not be taking my business there anymore.

  • Angelina
    06/19 10:35 PM

    @Angelo Rojas, as a Latina I am 100% confident that “brothas” don’t mess with female patrons of “Hispanic oriented” clubs any more than Latinos do, although harassment of women by other Latinos (including, often, employees and management) may be overlooked.
    I find your last line disingenuous. By even suggesting that there’s a reasonable explanation for this kind of treatment, you are offering excuses and therefore condoning it.

  • Jimbo
    06/19 11:38 PM

    Whenever me and my friends were getting food at Armadillo we could watch hot girls walking towards solas or watch the bouncer from this place having an altercation on any given night.
    all this backlash is just karma because there was always some problem going down at that entrance.

  • muhatma vinjay
    06/20 01:24 AM

    @James Murchison: how much money do you make a year? If you make more than me, I’m forgetting all the correct grammar and am going to start writing like a 5 year old.

    Also, the white guilt associated with all this is getting a little crazy.

  • 2013 UNC Graduate
    06/20 01:34 AM

    As an African American male student at one of the most prestigious schools in NC and the USA, The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), I must say that this is totally discouraging and outrageous.  there are people in all walks of life now who have racist intentions, prejudiced thoughts, and other pre-conceived notions such as fear towards Black people.  This has to stop, get to understand each individual you meet.  You honestly have no reason to be treating anybody like this in today’s society, which makes this period in time THAT MUCH WORSE.  Racism NEVER DIED, and it IS on the rise.  WAKE UP PEOPLE, PLEASE.

  • packpigskinfan23
    06/20 02:11 AM

    There is nothing wrong with a “dress code” as long as ALL customers are treated equally. This obviously does not sound like it was the case in Mr. Wall’s encounter. I hate to hear something like this happened in the city I lived/went to school in. It is pathetic.

    Also… ignore posts such as Wolverine McWeiner’s. It was an obvious attempt to troll and bring vial responses and hate to the comments. A poor sense of deranged humor to fuel hate. Also pathetic.

  • eric
    06/20 07:58 AM

    there is certainly enough anecdotal evidence to point to at least this particular bouncer having a race issue, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the bar itself is aware of, or condones, his behavior. i’d love for them to respond to why they have those particular dress code rules and if there are “house rules” about purchasing drinks, etc. that said, there are several comments above (and on the original blog) where the commenter makes reference to threats of violence, foul language used at the owner, giving the owner/bouncer attitude, etc. to those people i’d say be very careful when you use the race card and make sure it’s legitimate. we were all young once and it’s very easy to use that as a cop out for being a young drunk asshole who deserves to be thrown out (speaking as someone who was tossed many times as a young drunk asshole). as much as someone shouldn’t ask you to leave because you’re black, they shouldn’t let you stay if you’re being a jerk just because you’re black.

  • Luke Atmadik
    06/20 08:37 AM

    Is anyone really suprised that a sports bar on Glenwood South had douchebags working in it?  I would be more suprised if it didn’t.

  • Fuck California
    06/20 09:20 AM

    Fuck you “Southern California”

    remember when you guys just about killed Rodney King on camera, then acquitted the cops and started a freaking RACE RIOT? What about your hotshot cops, like Mark Fuhrman?

    Parts of LA are almost as segregated as anywhere in the southern USA. http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/ucla_school_segregation.php read up.

    Don’t even start with that “We are ashamed to call you a part of our United States.” Bullshit.

    So again, fuck you.

  • Angelo Rojos
    06/20 09:47 AM

    You’re getting it twisted, Angelina.

    I’m telling it like it is. Truth ain’t pretty, but it’s real. As someone who would probably be turned away from this bar, I obviously don’t condone this. I think it’s important to know why it happens though. Peace

  • calbear
    06/20 10:14 AM

    @southern california, there are so many people in raleigh that are deeply disturbed by this incident, and we are trying to do something about it. i was born, raised and educated through college in california, but now live in raleigh. it is disrespectful to place blanket statement on a place because of the despicable actions of others. are you not then applying the same ignorant stereotypes to people in the south as these racist jerks are to people of color? i am a person of mixed race, from california and i am proud to be a part of the raleigh, nc residents that are mobilizing to take a stand against this behavior. don’t perpetuate the pretentious california stereotype that is well known on the east coast, it’s embarrassing.

    @fuck california, racism happens everywhere, and frankly california is way more segregated geographically than anywhere i’ve been in the south. thanks for calling it out.

    finally, we all know glenwood bars suck. just take your money downtown. it’s more fun and less drama.

  • krock
    06/20 10:22 AM

    can anyone say if the dtsb is singling out non-whites as far as the “buy a drink or go home” policy?

    clearly that’s the lesser of two evils if they’re also racially profiling but it’s not quite clear to me.  besides, i think he’s more than earned a racist tag at this point.

    the guy is still a d-bag regardless but whoever heard of a bar where you couldn’t feel safe if you didn’t have a fresh cocktail in your hand at all times.  i mean sometimes i just don’t want to be trashed…

  • Kevin
    06/20 11:09 AM

    People wonder why I just don’t deal with white people at all. They have created this environment a long time ago. You people are stupid to still spend money with them. I always live in a black community where i know what to expect from my people. I dont trust white people and when I see one I try to kick the hell out of them every chance I get.

  • yes
    06/20 11:13 AM

    i liked this site better when it was all about hipster bullshit

  • Hi-C
    06/20 11:20 AM

    My issue is this if there are aa bouncers who are participating in these discrimination practicies then these"house negroes” should be the target of the aa community. That type of “gene pool” should not be allowed to carry on in any human. This is the remnent genes of “yessa massa”, “we sick massa” negroes who are still enslaved mentally!!!! How sadddddd!!!

  • Jerry Sandusky
    06/20 11:30 AM

    I like that his name is basically crisco. It suits his image and his personality.

  • steven
    06/20 11:49 AM

    F-that bar it sucks anyway the Tobaco Road sports bar is much better and if it isnt raciest why are all the Redneck’s not wanting to use real names cause they are lying a** cowards that’s why…........real talk

  • STOP HATE
    06/20 11:53 AM

    It’s so sad that racism is still a factor here in Raleigh. I’m not surprised. Time and time again, we continue to be treated unfairly, we have to stop this now! If you have a problem with people of color, you should’nt open a bar/club in the middle of Raleigh! It’s impossible to keep people of color out, because we go where ever the hell we want to party! And damn it, if you treat us like shit, we have not problem doing the same to you! But it’s no need to continue to visit “white only” establisments if they don’t want us there. And if people continue to party there, you pretty much know that they are just as racist as the owners, bouncers and uncle toms that work there.

  • Dennis
    06/20 12:22 PM

    Kevin you sound like a fine upstanding racist. Many on this board complain of racism but do not realize the racist smut coming out of their own mouths.

  • Jennifer
    06/20 02:13 PM

    After the one miserable drink I had at this place I was happy to forget about the terrible service, mean a-hole staff, and all around crappiness of the place, until THIS came out. HA! All I can say is squirm pretty boys, squirm. Can you feel the heat yet??? This place is a dump, and now you’re getting what you deserve.

  • rob
    06/20 02:47 PM

    I completely condemn the action of the staff at the Downtown Sports Bar. I stand in solidarity with the community against intolerance and for diversity.

    however let us consider a few things.

    If you cant afford a $20 haircut and need to wear a hat, why are you going to spend $80 on drinks at a bar? maybe best to stay home and drink on the cheap wearing your skivvies.

    I go to the bar to meet/pick up women, if you dress up, and wear nice shoes/shirt, you do alot better than looking like you just rolled out of walmart at 4am…
    Case in point, do you see the Ladies at the club in sweatpants, gym sneakers, and some early 90’s biker shorts from that Hammer video? Nope they got their hair done, and their nails and their toes, and wearing some expensive looking open toed shoes. They clearly care about their appearance are trying to pull, why don’t you?

    Leave the sports clothes and shoes on the court and in the locker room. Unless you actually play for the team its just weird wearing some other dudes name on your back. Notice how all the real “Players” wear suits off the court… maybe you should too and step up your ‘game’. This counts for Golf sh*t too, leave that shit on the greens, no one likes Khaki’s, you don’t work at a damned Best Buy.

    The DJ is not your personal jukebox, any good DJ worth his weight in vinyl knows how to throw down a good vibe. His/Her job is to make the ladies dance, your job Fella’s is to buy them drinks, and the Bar Owner pays the DJ, it’s the circle of life. Basically stop requesting sh*tty songs no one but you wants to hear, instead stay home with your bad haircut and turn up your laptop speakers.

    so lets review

    No Hats
    No Khakis
    No Racist Bouncers
    No Ballin’ on a Credit Card
    No to Overpriced Table Service

    Yes to Dress Shoes
    Yes to Sustainable Ballin’
    Yes to Mutual Respect
    Yes to Good Tunes
    Yes to Good Friends
    Yes to Sexy People

     

  • INSTIMATOR
    06/20 03:14 PM

    Which is worse….Racism or Censorship?

    To the latter, please try posting your comments to this article:

    http://www.newraleigh.com/article/thank-you-for-voting-new-raleigh-best-blog-in-the-triangle/


    Bet you can’t.  So let me post my response here:

    NO ONE CARES ABOUT BEST WHATEVER IN THE TRIANGLE.  It’s a sign that hangs on every 2-bit business in this town and it does not mean a damn thing.

    Thanks, NR, for patting yourselves on the back then blocking anyone from responding to your self-indulgence.  You guys really ARE the best in the triangle.

  • former employee
    06/20 03:46 PM

    I can tell you as a former employer the problem is with Todd the manager.  He came on shortly after The Downtown first opened and alot of staff left shortly after because of his attitude and quick temper myself included.

  • rob
    06/20 03:56 PM

    sounds like Todd the manager supports both White Power and White Powder too…

  • Quentis
    06/20 04:30 PM

    It’s not just in NC. I live in Memphis and there is a club on Beale St., Club 152 that actually has 2 entrances!!! It has 3 floors. At the first entrance, you have to pay $15 to $20 depending on the night. Then they’ll give you a color coded wristband that gets you access to the 1st and 2nd floors only…Right… full cover, 2/3rds access. That’s not the most interesting part… The first floor has a bar and live music until about 10pm, then it switches over to a dj. The second floor is the young jeezy, gucci mane, lil wayne crowd, and the third floor is a dj playing top 40, with vip booths, video screens, etc….nice.  As I said before, there are two entrances. The second entrance doesn’t charge a cover AND hands out wristbands that give you access to the WHOLE club but you have to meet certain “criteria”. My wife and I went one night and tried to get into the second entrance and were told there was a private party upstairs. No big deal. People rent club space all the time. After about the 3rd weekend of hearing this we realized that this was an excuse they use to keep the number of blacks off the 3rd floor. If you’re black, you have to know someone that works at the club to get to the third floor. They actually have people at the entrance to the third floor checking wristbands. If it’s the wrong color, they send you back downstairs. I don’t like the 2nd floor at all and the 1st floor is cool but small; made more for listening to a live band and not for dancing. It also fills up pretty quick with spill over from the second floor too. We have since stopped going but this stuff has got to stop. I understand wanting to keep the hood out of your establishment but this is getting old.

  • richardfoc
    06/20 04:51 PM

    So the Downtown Sports Bar and Grill has a dance floor and a DJ? How does that even make sense?

  • johnyJ@
    06/20 10:24 PM

    Jed,

    You’re running a story with little more than hearsay substantiating your claims.  If Wall’s report is accurate, he was certainly treated unjustly.  But claims of racism are so incendiary that that reporting them irresponsibly only serves to incite mobocracy, which carries its own brand of justice.

  • johnyJ@
    06/20 10:24 PM

    Jed,

    You’re running a story with little more than hearsay substantiating your claims.  If Wall’s report is accurate, he was certainly treated unjustly.  But claims of racism are so incendiary that that reporting them irresponsibly only serves to incite mobocracy, which carries its own brand of justice.

  • NOTyourAvgJOE
    06/20 11:49 PM

    What a coincidence!  Todd Chriscoe was accused of the very same thing back in 2001-2002 when he worked at “The Office”.  One of the TV stations (either WRAL or WTVD) went in with hidden cameras, and aired a lengthy piece about Mr. Chriscoe and The Office practicing discriminatory practices on the nightly news.  Someone should go dig that up?!  He is quite a piece of work!

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/21 12:55 AM

    @johnyJ@ ???? wut now !  Looks like we gonna have to get Barry Saunders at the good old News and Observer involved Todd Chriscoe is gonna give the Whole Glenwood South Area a BAD RAP !!! And yes he is a piece of work or more like a piece of CRAP !!!  .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  He will also help bring this RACISM to light.

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/21 12:56 AM

    @johnyJ@ ???? wut now !  Looks like we gonna have to get Barry Saunders at the good old News and Observer involved Todd Chriscoe is gonna give the Whole Glenwood South Area a BAD RAP !!! And yes he is a piece of work or more like a piece of CRAP !!!

  • johnyJ@
    06/21 01:39 AM

    STOP RACISM !!!,
    If Mr. Saunders can expose it as actual racism, then the outrage is of course justified.  But as of now, we have little else to go on than a young man’s testimony, message board accusations, and the criminal history of this bouncer.  Yet, despite this, facebook groups are organizing protests for Saturday, some where sighted for trespassing today when they visited the bar to hassel patrons and security staff, and one blog (link contained above, in the article) has expressed pleasure that the yelp rating has been downgraded and even suggested some empathy with those who wish to do physical harm to the property.  These aren’t measured responses; they are examples of mobocratic justice.

  • Jeff Goldblum
    06/21 10:16 AM

    Looks like he is wearing active gear. This is clearly against downtown sports bar rules.

    http://www.bustedmugshots.com/north-carolina/raleigh/todd-dowd-chriscoe/28932232

  • John G
    06/21 10:34 AM

    Here’s my problem, now I’m not saying that racism didn’t happen here.  I dont know if it did or did not is the problem.  This article is all hearsay from ONE SIDE.  People will react with emotion rather than look objectively at the evidence.  I don’t see any real facts in this artical.  All I see is what I stated earlier, hearsay from the person who was discriminated against. 

    I have never once heard of any type of racism from this bar.  I have African American friends that actually go there and ask ME to come to DTSB because its the place to be that night.  Nothing but good experiences there.  Then out of the blue, someone screams racism, and now DTSB is condemned.  If this story does anything, it serves notice that this COULD be happening and I’m sure people are going to be much more aware if it does.  This in turn will make DTSB more likely to stop its racist (if it truly is happening) ways.  Once again, I’m not saying it hadn’t happened, and I wouldn’t put it past any establishment in the south, unfortunetly.  Just please look at this objectively before you condemn DTSB.

  • A
    06/21 10:46 AM

    I’m a grad student at NCSU in a respectable major and have a job locked up that will start me off with a decent salary. I will be working for a office that is ranked top 20 in the country in my field. Guess what? I’m black! Born and raised in Raleigh, NC. First let me say that to the people making light of the situation grow up for real! This ain’t a comedy blog, nobody is laughing you’re just showing how ignorant you are! I’ve been to DTSB several times and they do this mess all the TIME! I finally stopped going after an incident this year. Usually when they pull this Racist mess all I did was go to the other entrance and the bouncer would let me in. The funny thing is they always had a problem with my clothes. What’s funnier is I shop at stores like Express, H&M, and Ralph Lauren there is nothing hood or baggy about those clothes! Then NCSU athletes would stroll in wearing sweats! The bar is filled with under aged kids from Johnston County on a nightly basis! They think black people cause the problems? I’ve seen drunk white guys get in fights out there, dance with their shirt off and try to fight bouncers and harass girls! I’ve seen white girls so drunk that they dance out of their underwear literally and drink until they can’t stand! Have you ever seen black people at a bad club? All we do is stand on the side and talk. We’re trying to have fun and meet girls like everyone else. What the owner did was wrong! It’s 2012 and Racism is still striving in the south! They said Raleigh was voted the best city to live in America…..I ask for who?

  • A
    06/21 10:59 AM

    John G like I said I’ve been there several times before I stopped going. They’re not always consistent with who they deny entry. I’ve been let in with no problem and other times I’ve been denied because of discrimination! The bar is a business so if they aren’t making as much revenue as they need to be of course they’ll let a few black people in. If they’re doing well that month than forget about even going! The story does seem one sided but that is how it exactly happens ALL THE TIME to different people doing NOTHING WRONG!!

  • Tommerson
    06/21 11:12 AM

    “The bar is filled with under aged kids from Johnston County on a nightly basis! They think black people cause the problems? I’ve seen drunk white guys get in fights out there, dance with their shirt off and try to fight bouncers and harass girls! I’ve seen white girls so drunk that they dance out of their underwear literally and drink until they can’t stand! Have you ever seen black people at a bad club? All we do is stand on the side and talk.”

    The very problem with racism, which Wall is reacting to, is the assertion that character is attributable to race.  You know, similar to your statement on how blacks and whites behave in clubs.  I love reverse discrimination.

  • John G
    06/21 11:14 AM

    A,
    Well, while I’m more inclined to lean toward the fact there was racism in play, I can never be too sure.  I am a skeptic by nature, always questioning where the information is coming from.  I see that there are plenty of people coming forward saying this is happening to them but my skeptical side begs the question, who are these people coming forward.  I do not know them, they could be the same person acting as many people, they could be nothing of what they say they are, or they could very well all be who they say they are and all weight should be given to them as they are credible.  I can only pull from my own experience (I know racism does happen in the south), and I’m sure you can understand my view point.  I sincerely hope this isn’t happening, and if it is and more facts come to light that are convincing, then I am along with you all and condeming DTSB.  At this point though, I remain skepical.  A story like this will allows people to invest as much confidence or as little as they want, as there are no actual facts.  I would also like to say good luck to you all who are taking up the cause, I hope you find much more damning evidence if this is going on.

  • Gabe Hathaus
    06/21 01:10 PM

    John G makes really good points.  A lot of this reeks of some kind of personal vendetta.  Some of the commenters citing these incidents claim to have returned on multiple occasions to witness others.  Why would you keep going back to a very mediocre bar with an asshole door man?  Sure, you have the right to…..but why would you?  There are dozens of other places to go within walking distance.
    However, If even a little bit of this is true, more power to you in exacting revenge.

  • A
    06/21 04:33 PM

    Tommerson you missed my point. Nothing I said was false and I’m not discriminating against anyone. My point was that the reason that blacks usually aren’t let in to clubs is because they LOOK like trouble makers and are thrown into a stereotypical group because of the actions of one or two. I’m not saying that whites are trouble makers. I’m saying most of the time you just don’t know! I did not say all whites fight or get wasted but on several occasions I have seen that. How do I know the bar is filled with under aged kids from Johnston County? Because I have friends from that area that say that is so and so’s little brother or sister. You can’t judge a book by it’s cover. People that look well mannered can be crazy and people that look like trouble makers can be well mannered. A fool is a fool there is no color involved in that! Reverse discrimination? I’m not the one standing at the door am I?

  • A
    06/21 04:48 PM

    Gabe I was never kicked out only had difficulty getting in because of race. I eventually I got in by going to the other bouncer. Unfortunately Jon Wall was treated more harsh. If we just left the bar alone we would be allowing power to DTSB instead of creating a non discriminatory environment. Imagine if all the civil right leaders before us just avoided places that they were discriminated against! I’m not comparing us or this situation to anything they encountered because it was way worse back then! But they didn’t fight for us to get walked over!

  • packpigskinfan23
    06/21 05:54 PM

    One thing I am really tired of hearing on here is “racism in the south” type phrases…. I have lived in over 15 states…. racism is not a “southern” problem. In fact in some ways it is better here, because the population is more even. I might have met 2 or 3 black people the first 10 years of my life(mostly living in UT, WY, and rural PA).  How do you think clubs in areas like that would react if a black man came to the door? It might not be the same has Mr. Wall was treated- but I guarantee you he will not be treated the same as everyone else.

  • Macfly
    06/21 06:50 PM

    I have not been there since it switched from being Stool Pigeons but even then the place was a little off.  I went there to eat lunch one day and they were charging a $2 cover to get in to eat lunch.  A week later no cover.  I personally avoid Glenwood South like the plague these days.

  • Macfly
    06/21 06:50 PM

    I have not been there since it switched from being Stool Pigeons but even then the place was a little off.  I went there to eat lunch one day and they were charging a $2 cover to get in to eat lunch.  A week later no cover.  I personally avoid Glenwood South like the plague these days.

  • Kenneth
    06/21 08:11 PM

    Just as an experiment white people, dress up in your very best Nascar attire ( Dale trucker hat, sleevless No Fear t-shirt) and try to go to either Bodi (local black club) or one of the Latin clubs behind El Rodeo on Wake Forrest this Saturday.  I’d be interested to hear how your experience goes.

  • K
    06/21 11:18 PM

    A friend of ours was denied entry one night that we went there.  He was told that he didn’t have a membership which is why he wasn’t let in.  The funny thing was that he had just let the other people in our party in, who also didn’t have memberships.  We left immediately and haven’t been back!!!

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/22 12:14 AM

    This thing is going national folks tomorrow at 10:30am on CNN.NEWS folks with Carol Costello again Friday morning and a press conference at 12pm at the NC Capitol ......BE THERE STOP RACISM !!!

  • JustGoToAnotherBar
    06/22 08:32 AM

    Well, this place will be out of business soon.  I hope taking food out of the mouths of everyone that works there is worth your little moment in the spotlight.

  • nocrap
    06/22 09:45 AM

    Yeah - I like the hipster bullshit better too ...but this is really f**ked up BULLSHIT.
    Thanks NR

  • RandyT
    06/22 01:15 PM

    Every other f-ing bar downtown has been overrun and taken over by blacks, why not the DTSB too?? Seriously—-Solas, Bodi, Bassment, Cashmere, Stir, 606, StillLife, Dolce, even back to Jillians, Sin City, Raleigh Live, buckhead Saloon, black flower…..Every club starts off fun, then the black guys start coming, then it all starts…Not even The Longbranch is safe anymore….  It’s like a mission…just to be where you’re not wanted…

  • Sharon Cox
    06/22 01:34 PM

    Randy, did you take your hood off to type that?

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/22 06:24 PM

    And for all these other clubs an bars on GLENWOOD SOUTH !!! And it’s a lot YOUR BEING PUT ON NOTICE !!! Because the truth is the Downtown Raleigh sports Bar and grill is not the only place doing RACIST CRAP !!! PLEASE STOP !!! EVERYBODY IS NOT A THUG OR GOON !!!

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/22 06:26 PM

    CNN NEWS HAS MOVED THE INTERVIEW TO MONDAY MORNING !!

  • Tommy
    06/22 10:50 PM

    We get it.  When you put things in ALL CAPS, you’re yelling.  You can leave off the “!!!!”.  Btw, your is different from you’re.  Maybe spending more time in the LIBRARY (not the club in Chapel Hill) and less in the Raleigh bars would do you some good.

  • %%$%
    06/22 10:53 PM

    Now Sharon, that’s racist.  Just because someone is wearing a hoodie doesn’t mean that they’re a troublemaker.  Just ask Travon!

  • STOP RACISM !!!
    06/22 11:23 PM

    Who cares Tommy !!! You get the point !!! Stop Racism !!! Now back on Topic “HATER”

  • Jon
    06/23 04:10 AM

    I loathe social media. Some prick that operates this clown bar gets to put a black eye on Raleigh and blanket all of us in racism. Sometimes it’s just the human and not a symptom of the times. Skewer this prick, not the community that has nothing to do with his sad choices.

  • Jon
    06/23 04:10 AM

    I loathe social media. Some prick that operates this clown bar gets to put a black eye on Raleigh and blanket all of us in racism. Sometimes it’s just the human and not a symptom of the times. Skewer this prick, not the community that has nothing to do with his sad choices.

  • YaThink?
    06/23 04:14 PM

    The academy would like to thank Jon Seel for that last post.

  • Rob M
    06/24 08:14 AM

    The club is now pointing at pictures pointed online showing black faces in the crowd.  But here’s the truth about those pictures.  Black people are allowed in if a white club member brings them in as a guest.  So if a white person vouches for you then you get a pass for the night.  Black people without club member friends are not welcome while anyone white who is not a club member or guest are allowed in with no problem.  Don’t be fooled.  “Private club” signs are the new “No Colored Allowed” signs.  Legally they have the right but anyone who doesn’t care for racial discrimination should steer clear of these places.

  • Slaps of Racism on Glenwood South!
    06/24 01:03 PM

    Yeah, Jon but Racist Todd Chriscoe is really giving people in Raleigh blacks eye’s for real…All the city of Raleigh needs to do is come out make a statement that if this type of Racist behavior is going on and it does not just at this club but all over Downtown and Glenwood South then it needs to STOP…And then their’s Good Ole’ Raleigh Police Department their so quick to Lock certain folks up,but very,very slow when it comes to enforcing laws that protect a persons civil right’s ...The business community along with the Mayor and other leadership of Raleigh needs to put pressure along with having a serious meeting with the chief of the Raleigh Police Department for them to do their jobs, that is really what the city needs to do all people want is to aleast feel respected and for fairness that’s all !

  • To Whom
    06/24 04:24 PM

    I have read enough about this situation. News flash!!! Discrimination happens in every single bar in the country every night and though it is morally wrong, will not be ceasing any time in the near future. The bottom line is, it is their establishment and they can refuse entry to whomever they chose. The more fancy the club—the more discrimination you can expect. Why is everyone all of the sudden acting like this is a revelation? I would bet that almost every single person on here has been denied entry to a bar/club at some point in time. Usually it is less about race and more about general attractiveness. Good luck to average looking people (unless they are notably rich or famous) trying to get into any major club in NY, LA, Vegas or Miami for example. The bouncers are trained to look you up and down, evaluate how much money you have in your pocket to spend the club, how much money other patrons may potentially want to spend on you, and how attractive/well dressed you are. All in order to create the exclusive ambiance they are going for. The criteria for these evaluations is solely up to the person hired to manage the door for the night, whether he is a gentleman or a numbskull. The word here is exclusive, and they will exclude anyone who they do not deem worthy of being in their club. I do not advocate this type of behavior, but for those of you who have acted shocked after hearing about this… you probably need get out more, or now that I think about it—staying in may be your best option.

  • nocrap
    06/24 05:34 PM

    oh yeah, To Whom - humanity’s best option would be for for people like you to stay home rather than blindly perpetuating this stuff

  • STOP BAD GRAMMAR!!!!!!!!
    06/25 09:09 AM

    Yeah, Jon but Racist Todd Chriscoe is really giving people in Raleigh blacks eye’s (EYES, -5 points) for real…All the city of Raleigh needs to do is come out (“AND” MAKE, -5) make a statement that if this type of Racist (LOWERCASE, -5) behavior is going on and it does not just at this club but all over Downtown and Glenwood South then it needs to STOP (RUN ON SENTENCE, -5)…And then their’s (THERE’S, -5)Good Ole’ Raleigh Police Department (MISSING COMMA, -5) their (THERE, -5) so quick to Lock (LOWERCASE, -5) certain folks up,but very,very slow when it comes to enforcing laws that protect a persons (PERSON’S, -5) civil right’s (RIGHTS, -5) ...The business community along with the Mayor and other leadership of Raleigh needs to put pressure along with having a serious meeting with the chief of the Raleigh Police Department for them to do their jobs, that is really what the city needs to do all people want is to aleast feel respected and for fairness that’s all !(EXTREME RUN ON SENTENCE, -10)


    FINAL GRADE
    40
    F-

  • To Whom
    06/25 10:59 AM

    nocrap - For the record, I despise discriminatory behavior and you will never find me blindly perpetuating any sort of discrimination. Unfortunately, I don’t think the club industry can say the same. The point I was trying to make is that the problem is much bigger than one incidence and it involves many more types of people.

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  • OBAMACARE
    06/26 08:33 AM

    Let’s see…you start a business, risking your financial future by doing so.  You pay a lot of money for everything to attract people to your business:  music, alcohol, food, interior decor, promotional advertising, electricity, rent, etc etc….then you have the pleasure of dealing with regulation upon regulation upon regulation:  your door is too narrow.  You don’t have adequate fire escape signs.  Need sprinklers.  No mop buckets in the kitchen.  Ceiling is the wrong material.  No handicap ramp.  We’ll be back in 4 weeks to re-evaluate.  You go through all this, you risk everything…yet you should be forced to let the general public in your establishment, as if you are running a zero-profit (err, that’s “non-profit” for those of you out there who feel better about themselves for being part of such an organization)?  You should let a guy in who is ‘wearing a hat because he didn’t shower’ ?  someone with athletic shoes?  Guess what that person is going to do to your investment?  he’s NOT going to spend money and act like a gentleman.  He is a risk to your investment.  And yes, this happens to white and black people.  I remember year ago, going into The Office, and the bouncer rejected a large party of people because they were wearing JEANS.  THAT’S DENIMISM!  STOP DENIMISM NOW! 

    You are correct to point out that discrimination based on race is wrong, but you are missing the obvious:  bars have to make money to survive.  They have limited space.  Therefore, they are motivated to populate that limited space with individuals who appear to be better able to spend money.  This includes, but is not limited to, those who have showered that day.

    Get out of the coffeeshop, get your head out of your iDevice, get a real job where you have to sign the FRONT of the paycheck, and THEN you can make fun of this guy for trying to run a business.

  • nocrap
    06/26 09:26 AM

    Okey dokey, To Whom - The problem really is deep seated and pervasive.
    Our discussion does help make it better.
    Let’s keep trying.

  • Tucker Beck
    06/26 02:20 PM

    @ Stop Bad Grammer

    On the 2nd “There” correction, I do think a “They’re” would be appropriate.

    Let me know what you think, and adjust the final score accordingly.
    Please excuse any incorrect grammar in my analysis.

  • Obama
    06/27 11:13 AM

    Downtown Bar & Grill Statistics:

    For every black person there are 50 white people.

    Proof: http://www lazyd.ay .com /photosbylocationid.asp?locationID=753

  • RDM
    06/27 11:38 AM

    When Stool Pigeons closed I actually heard something about it closing because it had gotten “too black” and they wanted to start a new bar where they could have a membership deal so they could only let in who they wanted to. I have no idea if all that is true - just heard from friends of friends, but with this story, it definitely seems likely.

  • PBundy
    06/28 12:02 AM

    Stool Pigeons DID get “too Black”, but that’s beside the point.  SP closed because of bad management, and a collapse of the parent company.  The business was then SOLD, and is now the DTSB. (Yes, the dumbest name ever)  They have nothing to do with each other.  And for the record, Todd Chriscoe is NOT the owner of the DTSB, but merely a bartender. A GLORIFIED bartender at that.

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