David Thursday, October 18, 2007

Architecture

Charlie Rose In Raleigh

with

Dean Malecha, Thom Mayne, Dick Jackson on Sustainable Design

Charlie Rose, Thom Mayne, and Marvin Malecha

Tuesday night on NC State’s campus, Rose and 3 other heavy hitters gathered to deliver a panel on sustainable architecture.  The conversation was engrossing, the crowd was ecstatic and politically charged and Rose was every bit the brilliant journalist, weaving three disparate and impassioned points of view into the future of what architecture can do for this world.

Mayne offered the reconciliation of design with green practice through smart aesthetics with green fundamentals built in. He underscored that economic incentives where important to get wide spread adoption of best practices, and cited the irrelevance and narrow focus of LEED standards, such as points for bike racks but no points for good bike paths.  Mayne talked of architectural performance, where a building is judged by the way it serves its users health as well as the health of the environment. He spoke of the ‘amortization of architecture’ where buildings are built with permanence in mind rather than the 15- 20 year cycle that buildings are constructed on in the US.  All of the panelists agreed that American development patterns contribute significantly to energy and material waste and that the short life cycle of American buildings means that they are aren’t built with the same kind of consideration for placement, quality and social interaction that can be seen in the urban constructions in Europe.  Europe’s sensitivity to these ideals was cited throughout the night, particularly in regards to energy use; a European uses about half the energy of an American.

Dean Marvin Malecha was composed and the least animated of the three, offering the holistic design perspective that the College of Design works so hard to imbue into its students.  Rose questioned if sustainability was an after thought and Malecha countered that the exercise of design was one where the designer worked to pull disparate information sources together to present something cohesive. Malecha closed talking about practical things that every individual can do to decrease the impact of their life- things like living close to your work, building and landscaping in ways that are sensitive to the orientation of the sun.

Charlie Rose, Thom Mayne, Marvin Malecha and Dick Jackson

Dr Dick Jackson was adamant about the human side of sustainability.  Jackson began by pointing out the 25 pound increase in average American’s weight in the last 25 years. Citing buildings that celebrate their stair system rather than hiding them, to encourage people to locomote on their on.  Jackson talked about holistic education that informs students about the greater impact of humans on earth.  He went on to say that every child in the US should have the opportunity to walk or ride their bike to school.  That those Schools should be “temples of learning” built in the permanent and significant fashion “like they were in the twenties.“  Local schools that are not the temporary style of the trailers that fill so many of our schools properties.  Jackson went on to talk about how children learn better in daylight and that schools should be built to take advantage of natural light.

If any conclusion can be drawn from the night, it rested somewhere in bringing more sensitivity to development.  The panelists, together, presented a picture of potential for the US, one where we take the time and attention to detail to craft structures based on solving 21st Century problems. 

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  • Stimmel10/18 01:29 PM

    Well written. Its hard to imagine Malecha not being animated.

  • erin10/18 02:25 PM

    i guess its his appearance that makes him stand out the most. 

    the last guy seems a little out of touch.  building schools close to where most of its attendees live seems so unlikely and impossible in a place like wake county.  esp. since their whole program is based on shuffling kids around.

  • David10/18 03:45 PM

    I must not be doing Dr. Jackson justice.  His points were met by applause more than any other panelist.  You are right, integration would be a problem, but from a personal and environmental health perspective- it makes a lot sense.  No one can doubt that educational quality would be higher in smaller schools, and convienance means less pollution in getting the kids to school.

  • JZ10/18 04:02 PM

    I was thinking about the seminar the following morning:  There should have been a disclaimer ahead of showing the Morphosis projects because to a layperson they may actually look very similar (i.e. cold, metallic) and this commonality may lead them to conclude that all sustainable design looks like this. Since taste is personal, if one’s taste did not align with what was up on screen, it would prejudice all other sustainable/progressive work

    I would like to give the majority of guests more credit but I fear I’ve witnessed that superficial leap too often.

    Tired of swimming upstream only to find out they’ve dammed the river….

  • Robin10/18 09:11 PM

    I really did appreciate how their different fields flowed together into one big conversation, but it was kind of all over the place at times.  Sometimes they didn’t let each other develop their points.  If Mayne was explaining something about design methodology, Rose might come in with ‘What about New Orleans and Katrina?‘ (I don’t remember exactly.)  They did make some great points though.

    More importantly, when they bombed that question on what they do in their own lives to live sustainably, it really discredited them in my eyes.  I know the question was a little off topic, but how can we learn about sustainability from people who don’t demonstrate that they believe in it?  Maybe they just overthought an easy question.  Or maybe they don’t compost.

  • BA10/19 11:15 AM

    Thanks for writing this article!

    Robin - I agree in some ways that question did make them look bad. That’s a hard question for anyone who is trying to be more aware and trying to become more environmentally sustainable to answer. You always feel like you are not doing enough. However, I do think they could have come up w/ a quicker/better response - Malecha’s comments were good, but it was obvious they don’t have that as a priority in their lives.

    I do think Dr. Jackson had some great comments - and I actually agree with him quite a bit. We SHOULD be building schools in a community and environmentally friendly way. But also as he and Mayne specifically mentioned - this starts questioning America and its way of life, something most people are trying to avoid.

    I also wanted to mention that everyone should research what the panelists said on their own. All of them had great comments and input, but I have a hard time not being aware of some things, such as:
    The cost of Morphosis’s buildings. It seems they are able to do more innovative, creative things due to a looser budget.

    The fact that they couldn’t remember who developed the LEED standards. The US Green Building Council has over 4 billion SF of building space in green buildings and has been around since 1993, yet they couldn’t name it?

    Being an NCSU College of Design alum, NCSU is not as much of a leader as Malecha implied. There is much more of an aesthetic focus than an environmentally friendly focus. They are not actively involved in any sustainability groups or events, and do not even have a Sustainability office or website. Compared to the other regional universities (UNC, Duke), NCSU is actually the most behind.

    Just some food for thought…. I think it was a great discussion and I’m glad they are talking about this, but I think there is a long way to go.

  • Jedidiah10/19 01:03 PM

    This was a great discussion, but as mentioned before, it was just that…a discussion.  It seemed a bit too “television” with all the cameras around and if those weren’t there, the discussion may have been a bit more hefty.  Some topics seemed to have one line answers from the panel, but in reality the answers are much longer.  This is a television mentality.  One liners.

    There were some great “one liners” though, esp. via Jackson as so many folks have picked up on this thread.  There was a definite “pecking order” as well in the discussion, the closer to Rose a panelist was, the more he was able to speak and be heard.  This was unfortunate for Jackson and it was evident when he was going to tell a “happy story and a sad story” but was interrupted and told he was going to be able to tell the stories after Malecha spoke.  He never told either story.

    Raleigh needs more of these discussions (made for Telly or not) to get to that “long way” that BA has referred to. 

    Thanks for a great summary of a great event Dave.

  • Jedidiah10/19 02:29 PM

    Also for more information on the variable research and aesthetics of green design, The Solar Decathalon ends this weekend in DC if anyone happens to be in the area:

    http://www.solardecathlon.org/

  • Robin10/19 03:54 PM

    It was surprising that two of them couldn’t name the USGBC.  It also surprised me that the panelists were afraid to say that we haven’t reached a critical mass in prioritizing sustainability in this country.  What kind of politics would make them speak with false optimism?  Mayne and Malecha can’t be so isolated in a leading firm or academic world that they think everyone is talking about the environment?  If they’re not looking at the outside world and gauging the progress of average Americans, then that’s one difference between them and any scholar truly concerned with the environment.

  • Helen Tart10/21 10:48 PM

    I hate that I missed this event.

    The schools issue is a tricky one because to really solve the problem, there needs to be integration of living areas—if poor people and rich people didn’t live so far apart then there wouldn’t need to be such waste in moving children around…

    However North Carolina has been a leader in incorporating daylighting in schools for years. I attended conferences a decade ago that showed how NC was building schools that used daylighting and how it improved learning while saving money. 

    Also I hope someone at the event mentioned the update of Raleigh’s Comprehensive Plan, and that the Kickoff meeting is Oct 25th. That update is a good opportunity to encourage the city (and by example other communities) to welcome sustainable design. 

    The election of progressive Council members is just the start. We have to be there to help this Council stay focused on the issues they were elected to address. If there is a strong turnout of regular citizens at these Comprehensive Plan meetings, then it makes it easier for them to resist the pressure many developers will put on the Council to reduce the environmental and neighborhood protections the Plan should include.

  • Steven Waters11/03 12:05 PM

    David, this was a great event, and thanks for your article about it.  I was the one who asked the question about the role of location, and I liked Dick Jackson’s response that new houses should have a VMT (vehicle miles traveled) sticker just like household appliances have stickers with the estimated energy costs.

    Helen Tart is right, the issue with building schools closer to where kids can walk to them is that it conflicts with Wake County’s strategy to ensure economic diversity in the schools.  I talked with one School Board member and she told me that the term “neighborhood schools” is often used as a euphemism for segregated schools.  But we should still do our best and invest in school sitings that have long-term potential for kids walking to school.

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