Jedidiah Monday, October 15, 2007

Development

Hue Adds to Condo Alley

How did the newest condo building in downtown Raleigh get it’s name?  “‘Hue’ was easier to type into a cell phone, said Jenny Martin, King’s business development director. “How hard is it to text ‘The Dawson on Morgan’?” she asked. “BFF. Hue. You do the math.”  (FYI: Its initial name was The Nash, which would share the name with the public square that is located across from the construction site and itself only has 4 letters, but it seems not “hip” enough).  Nevertheless, from this statement, an assumption can be made that Hue, the latest addition to Condo Alley, is attempting to cater to a younger crowd.  The warehouse district seems to be slowly devoured by this type of development.  Hue will add color to the area, but will it add character?  What will its cornice twin neighbors think?

And what about this marketing video that has made its way to Myspace and YouTube? 

Hue, which will include 208 total units that range from Studios to 2 Bedroom/2 Bath, carries this mission statement with it:

“A lifestyle that’s gray? Not at this address. Amplify the color. Go for something more vibrant, brighter and more alive. Experience the world that describes Hue.”

Its website states that Hue represents a “brighter shade of life”.  Their logo is a colorful Rubix Cube.  The facade is stated to be a “contemporary design with bold color accents, primarily blue and yellow”. It all seems very playful and fun, but will it live up to its “bright and contemporary label”.  No architect is jumping to brand his/her name to the project, it seems that the building is developer based, as are most downtown Raleigh condo buildings.  Not a great sign.  Trammell Crow Residential (TCR) is the developer, headquartered in Atlanta, GA, and is the one the nation’s premier multi-family real estate firms.  You may recognize another project in downtown that is under their supervision, 222 Glenwood.  On the “brighter side”, Hue also looks to be much less expensive than most condo buildings in downtown with a $160,000 starting price. Another attempt to bring a younger crowd to this area.

It will have 7,500 square feet of shops and restaurants at street level, a fitness center, private pool with sundeck, landscaped courtyard with barbecue grills, and a six-story parking deck with approximately 300 spaces.  Considering the fact that most downtown lofts built in the past few years are occupied, Hue may sell most of its units quick.  Over 1,000 more lofts are expected by 2011.  The boom continues, but does the quality of life in downtown?  Does Hue add character to Condo Alley?  The Warehouse district?  Is this an attempt to put a pretty facade on an area that is full of vacant buildings?  Buildings that could be renovated into lofts that pay tribute to the area’s history and are not marketed via grills and fitness centers.  It dwarfs its neighboring bars but does add a bit more style than the two condos beside it, full of red brick and 17th century cornices.  But will it last?  Is its design/construction durable?  Will it be replaced in 20 years by whatever is the next version of “downtown” living. 

There is currently a mound of dirt on the site and the often used sidewalk to The Borough (the one retail/restaurant addition to downtown by the two current condo projects) is closed, but soon the steel will be rising and the blue stucco adhered.  What will Hue become?  Will Condo Alley be brighter or will it stay the same bleak color it currently appears each night at sunset.

 

 

  • Charles In Charge10/15 08:49 PM

    Re: The Marketing Video—Is it 1987?

  • erin10/15 09:01 PM

    hue = ugh

    which is also easy to text.

  • Big Al10/15 10:26 PM

    Wasn’t Hue a borg on Star Trek TNG? What an funny coincidence.

  • RaleighRob10/15 11:37 PM

    Well, it’s probably gonna better than the parking lot that was there.  My worry is that this “pretty, upscale, trendy building”...and others like it…will squeeze out the unique, gritty warehouse-type buildings nearby.  For example, I can’t believe how close it is right up against the Triangle’s largest—and loudest—gay nightclub, Legends.  I can’t help but wonder what’s gonna happen when the neighbors start to complain about the noise & crowds. 

    I certainly would like to see Raleigh supplement all these new buildings with some funky updated lofts out of old warehouses.  That’s one thing in which downtown Durham has an advantage over Raleigh.

  • David10/15 11:41 PM

    To think that this is the marketer’s idea of connecting with the wannabe yups in Raleigh.


    The agents that came up with this video should be fired.

    York’s site:

    Our experienced agents and innovative marketing strategies ensure broad exposure and effective presentation.

     

     

     

  • Barden10/16 10:48 AM

    I totally agree Rob. The lack of cheap to moderate lofts in the warehouse district is the only thing deterring some real boom development there.

    Durham is a fantastic example of that strategy.

  • Barden10/16 10:58 AM

    After checking out their website I’m sold. I’m saving my pennies today.

  • RaleighRob10/16 11:32 AM

    Now that I think of it, I think I saw the ad on TV once.  I was on the phone and it was on mute, so I didn’t really pay attention…I probably thought it was just an ad for Art Supplies.  tongue laugh

  • Jedidiah10/16 11:39 AM

    Re: Charles in Charge’s comment.  It is interesting how trends go in 20 year cycles and how late 80s rave (bright) colors are back in style.  Primary colors, like those on Hue, on the other hand are a version of postmodernism that have still yet to come back in. 

    Rob, you are spot on with your assessment that the advert resembles a mix between a children’s Saturday morning commercial and a spot for Michael’s Arts and Crafts Store.

  • Robert E Leebowitz10/16 12:11 PM

    I assumed, given the location next to Legends and across from CC, that HUE was a reference to the Gay Pride flag.  The website doesn’t mention the amenity of having a 24-hour bookstore/arcade/novelty store on the block - Our Place.  Let’s hope Condo Alley maintains some of the current character: Late night hot dogs and street hustlers.

  • Barden10/16 01:05 PM

    I thought they were trying to get a “charleston-esque” thing going with the multi-colored facade.

  • RaleighRob10/16 01:12 PM

    LOL @ Robert L.—you know, that’s a really good point.  I’m surprised I didn’t pick up the correlation between all the nearby gay stuff (Legends, CC, Our Place, Flex, White Rabbit) surrounding a condo with “Lots of bright colors” as it’s theme. 
    Good catch!

  • Jedidiah10/16 01:28 PM

    I wish you guys were right but most condo projects that are dropped into Raleigh are just that, DROPPED into Raleigh.  The building site and surroundings are rarely considered and the Hue’s facade is only Blue and Yellow, which again is a primary color palette and not the rainbow of the flag. 

    I’m sure the facade color was a developer’s decision and if the building was to pay homage to the surrounding gay community, it wouldn’t have dwarfed Legends and CC (which will both be torn down in the long run for a hise rise as well, chasing out the gay community).

  • go go10/16 01:35 PM

    I like the funkiness and the colors. I think the courtyard feature will give the tenants a greater sense of community - something I feel is lacking in the two conservative style condos on either side. IMO the other two - as well as a few more around town - look like monster, steroid-enhanced versions of the typical ITB tear-down, infill, McMansion - massive size, traditional facade and no warmth or openness.

    They might be condos on the inside but they look remarkably like mansions on the outside.

    And with the studio options there will actually be units that are damn near affordable to the great unwashed.

  • Sam10/16 01:43 PM

    If you’re gonna HUE, HUE in this… The developer probably views the proximity to Legends and as a plus. Places like this reincarnated suburban apartment complex on steroids with a huge hallway in lieu of a huge parking lot are targeting singles and young couples with no kids, but their price points are suited more to retirees.

    I agree with Raleigh Rob, this type of building will squeeze the hip right out of the Warehouse district, Been to Downtown Charlotte lately??? I think the ultimate problem is the size of these buildings. The BLOCK-type, since they usually occupy an entire block and block interesting urban juxtapositions from happening… The units will have the same qualities of suburbia (your own private island) except they are configured for urban life,like hauling groceries from a parking deck? The size of housing projects should be limited unit wise. Perhaps 10 smaller slightly different apartment buildings with a store or two at the bottom instead of 1 monolith trying to do it all.

  • Barden10/16 02:01 PM

    Jed,

    I heard that little rumor too about the gay bars being torn down in the next two years.

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned the nightmare that is driving down Hargett over the railroad tracks when West Side Story is in full effect.

  • go go girl10/16 03:08 PM

    I don’t have the answers on how to keep the warehouse district intact, funky and affordable but I do believe the owners of the gay bars and businesses are laughing all the way to the bank with increased patronage, increased rent and increased land values.

    This article from the current Atlantic Monthly does a good job of explaining why some urban areas become so expensive.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200711/housing

    If the number of units is kept artificially low by zoning, land-use, etc then the price of the available units goes up - making them only accessible to the obscenely wealthy and not just the well-off. It is a balancing act. The idea of shops below is an excellent goal but until people (customers) are living there 24/7 and can support the businessess it might be awhile.

    I like the fact that the Hue looks like an unpretentious yet fun apartment building - it adds to the charm - and breaks up the monotony.

  • Robin10/16 03:35 PM

    Sam, that’s what I was going to say—the scale of most current downtown developments is the single biggest problem I have with them.*  If I bought a city block of parking lots and wanted to breath life into the property, I’d develop half of it with something dynamic and sell the rest in small lots.  I’d want other designers to contribute to the compositiion—because I’d want it to be urban.  You don’t have to advertise urban living on TV—people just want to be where everything is happening.

    By contrast, I’m not so offended by the scale of those condos where Oberlin crosses Wade, because it’s not ruining any great potential for connectivity and urban space.  That development is so big, it sets the scale for the area. 

    But downtown has so much potential that is being squashed, an entire city block at a time.

    *(Well, scale and those tiny balconies, as I’ve said before.)

  • erin10/16 03:40 PM

    agreed with sam and robin.  i can’t think of any urban area (that i enjoy) where each block is one building.  thats sort of a main component of “urban” :  a lot of different things close together.  the analogy of suburban islands reformed for a city block is so accurate!

  • Robin10/16 03:44 PM

    Yeah, why does everyone say we should look to Charlotte and Atlanta to see where we’re going?  Though much smaller, Asheville is much more urban!

  • Jedidiah10/16 03:45 PM

    Multiple tall monolith’s in a row.  Hence the name Condo Alley, a large version of that alley beside West Side Stories.

  • brian_M10/16 04:47 PM

    Pretty sure both Legends and CC own their buildings and land.

  • Stimmel10/16 05:02 PM

    I hope all the rooms are painted different primary colors.

  • Betsy10/16 05:41 PM

    If “the number of units is kept artificially low by zoning, land-use, etc then the price of the available units goes up”—

    But the number of units downtown is not being kept artificially low by zoning.  The downtown zoning allows up to like 160 units per acre.  What’s driving the cost up is the expectation by every landowner that THEY will be the lucky one who will cash in on a new 20 or 30 story building. 

    So the land prices are speculatively high, but the actual number of new 20-30 story buildings that the Raleigh market can absorb is like, two.

  • BDuncan10/16 05:44 PM

    All of these blogs seem to be full of folks nitpicking about what’s going on downtown.  It took FOREVER for Raleigh to elect leadership that sees the value of having a downtown, and now so many people on these blogs complain about the development.  I lived in Raleigh for 20+ years and can say that any money invested there is an improvement over the parking lots, vacant storefronts, etc.  Washington, DC, and many other urban areas are full of a mix of big box condos/apartments and brownstones.  This stuff takes time, and it doesn’t happen overnight.  Kudos to Trammel Crow, Sandreuter, and everybody else that is pouring money into the area.  I’d rather folks buy half a million dollar condos downtown and inside the city limits than mcmansions out in the county or cary.

  • Jedidiah10/16 05:49 PM

    You are right about living in downtown rather than the suburbs Duncan, but one of the main points of the discussion is whether some of this development will chase out the character of downtown (see Flight of the Creative Class by Richard Florida) and leave downtown Raleigh with only money and little culture left.  Downtowns need culture (art, music, etc.) to thrive, not only businesses, high class condos and folks with money.

  • Betsy10/16 05:52 PM

    I also want to say that I agree with all-a-yall:  Raleigh’s version of urbanity still is quite simplistic—we seem to be unduly wowed by height, newness, and corporatist sheen. 

    Whereas true urban *placemaking* (in terms of creating lot-by-lot urbanism and variety; providing likely homes for startup businesses needing cheap rents; and a vibrant, permeable, organic edge at the ground floor where the public sidewalk interfaces with storefronts) is nearly forgotten.

    The Boylan on Dawson or the Nash at West?  As Nancy Mitford said, one would rather live in any dear old slum than these gated hives.

  • go go girl10/16 08:27 PM

    I can appreciate the concerns that some have for the canyon-like effect that block after block of buildings constructed all the way to the right-of-way can have - condo Canyon might be a better word. But if the building’s footprint are restricted to forestall the canyon effect of the block-builders then the only option is up - if the profiteers want to make a profit - and this is still America.

    If maintaining the funkiness of the warehouse district is a goal then the gradual adjustment of building heights - from mid-rise to one and two story structures is appropriate - anything taller and it will kill the the warehouse district just that much quicker.

    Too tall and the warehouse district dies - too few units and the builders stop building - it is a dilemma with no easy answers. But I appreciate what downtown Raleigh is becoming - the drabness and absolute vacuum that existed in 1983 when I arrived has almost disappeared.

    I like the Hue’s fabric and energy - the movement and action exhibited by the facade - I think it will go a long way in breaking up the flatness, the fortified appearance, the less than inspiring shells of the two buildings on either side. I feel this will alliviate the canyon effect, caused in part, by the adjacent condos.

    I like how the building looks, I think it’s appropriate for the location, I appreciate the (relatively) lower price structure and I think it is an improvement over the adjacent structures. I’m glad something different is being attempted.

    But if they decide to crown it with a beehive I’m apt to change my mind.

  • brian_M10/16 08:59 PM

    I’m not extremely happy about the latest announced Hillsborough Street project, right at the corner of Hillsborough and West streets. Yes, those are pretty much vacant storefronts, built in or around the 1930s…but they have some character. So now Smedes York & co. are going to flatten them and build another mixed use project, 8-10 stories. I’m assuming this is the block with Flex in it, and if you ask me, downtown needs variety in what sorts of crowds it attracts…I think a lot of these developers don’t think about the need to keep a variety of people coming to the city center. As always, gay people are first in, then first to go…I guess Raleigh isn’t any different than anywhere else.

  • Sam10/17 01:11 PM

    I don’t think the illustrious bloggers of NR are “nit picking” it’s an ongoing discussion. I think myself and the peers in this commentary are all for growth, but I think what Raleigh is looking for is smart growth that doesn’t alienate its populous. I mentioned Charlotte earlier, and I wanted to clarify that Charlotte and perhaps Atlanta are places we might look for what Not to do. I think Raleigh already has the upper hand, due to Hatem’s preservation of historical buildings, where Charlotte took the bulldoze and call it “Uptown” route. I favor more grassroots/ slow development similar to historical models that have developed the urban places that so many people hold to be quintessentially “city.” New York, Chicago, Paris, Rome, etc… are all rich with layers of history and I think the one block at a time model may be appropriate to a city of that scale, but Raleigh is small and needs buildings scaled to Raleigh. I think if we are going to talk about what the “city” has become, then this conversation is more about the Triangle, Raleigh being a borough. The urban condition here would improve vastly if we thought more about filling the void pockets between buildings with all the stuff we are cramming into isolated towers for the sake of a postcard shot from the Boylan St.Bridge. Riding an elevator is not really urban if three blocks is the most you’ve ever walked.

  • Robin10/19 11:32 AM

    Duncan and anyone who thinks this is just an unwarranted bitch session,

    We’re all excited about new development (this isn’t AntiNewRaleigh.com).  That’s why we’re talking about it.  I don’t think anyone’s critical analysis is nitpicking—it’s community participation.  Developers and investors can speak with their money—this is our forum.  If we were all negative, we’d jump all over go go girl for liking the design of Hue, but she’s free to have that opinion here.

  • JZ10/20 12:02 PM

    Having the priviledge of reading so many responses to Jed’s post before commenting, I have to admit I see many of the different sides of the “arguement”.  It demonstrates that Re-urbanization is a complex issue that has much more gray in it than the Hue building will. 

    Stepping back for a moment, I considered the forces of what caused the initial exodus from downtowns across most of the U.S. and came to the conclusion that that was also a complex system of variables, pushing and pulling against themselves until eventually those who could afford it, simply left.  In some respect I think we’re still paying for that phenomenon. 

    Buildings like Hue, Park Devereaux or The Dawson really are bandaids to the situation and are designed as that:  temporary patches, not ugly enough to completely stand out from the “skin” of the city’s body, to be removed at some point (the quality of construction dictates this) to make way for REAL urban fabric once the city has healed.  If I treat them as temporary stand-ins to a greater, more-sophisticated urban experience, I chill out a bit and no longer fret as to whether there’s enough commercial space, or whether the massing is too intense, or whether portions of the community will be displaced.  They have changed in the past and inevitably will evolve yet again.

    The City (that’s the big “C”) is a living organism that changes constantly.  What Charlotte has become is really a western boom town: a city in transition that, if given the opportunity, will layer in richer and more complex spaces (already evidenced by the crop of higher profile cultural projects being planned) that will give it the sense of place all towns deserve.  The New Yorks and Chicagos of the world didn’t happen overnight.  It just sucks to be living in that transitional period because everyone senses the tension and excitement generated by the slightest event.  We want to “already arrive” as it were and I’m sad to say that if it happens in my lifetime, I’ll be one happy SOB.  A committment to that constant refinement and enrichment is what is most important.  That will be the reason I will more than likely stay in Raleigh, its what drew me here in the first place: To make a new city.  How many people get to say they were involved in that!?

  • Betsy10/20 03:38 PM

    Great! I’ll just content myself with waiting 20 or 30 years until the first crop of near-misses and mistakes amortize themselves out of existence.

  • Betsy10/20 04:47 PM

    I should add that Savannah is “getting it right” with new buildings in its urban landscape on almost a weekly basis.  Savannah’s economy ranks far behind Raleigh’s, their educational achievement is far lower and the median income also lags greatly behind ours. 

    What they do have that we don’t have is FIXITY OF MIND about the quality and characteristics of the city’s urban landscape, and a civic commitment to ensuring that EVERY new building meets those standards

    Thus building by building, lot by lot, Savannah is improving its urban landscape NOW and not waiting for some imagined future era when people will supposedly have the will and the wherewithal to do things differently and better.

  • Jedidiah10/20 05:28 PM

    Great point about Savannah Betsy.  If only Raleigh had the two things that have been key to Savannah’s success, water and history, we wouldn’t be in this situation now.  It’s amazing how key water is in an urban setting.  Name a successful New York or Chicago of the world that doesn’t have a river, lake or ocean running beside or through it. 

    Charlotte and Raleigh have neither water nor substantial history (Re: Sam’s comment).  There was a hypothetical plan to add a river in Raleigh some years ago, but the city can’t even build a public train network (TTA), much less a river. 

    The saga continues.

  • brian_M10/20 05:52 PM

    Actually, something interesting could be done with Pigeon House Branch, which runs mostly sight-unseen along Capital Boulevard, all the way into downtown. I have heard of various plans over the years to figure out something publicly oriented with it, but the only thing that’s been happening lately is burying part of it *better* over near the Foxy Lady. Just sayin’.

  • JZ10/20 06:50 PM

    Is it time for a Smiths song?  “So shut your mouth, how can you say I go about things the wrong way….”

    Raleigh ain’t Savannah, no way, no how…and I wish folks would not compare arguably stable urban environments with a rich historic fabric to Raleigh.  We barely saved the houses along Blount Street in the 1970s for godsake and we’re about to lose the single remaining example of High Modernism in the Downtown Core: The Garland Jones Office building (formerly the First Federal Bank Building).  Without a coherent context of structures and urban fabric how can you expect anybody without a history, design or planning degree to understand?

    Regardless, I’m sorry, but I think y’all skipped over the point of rant:  1) Anything is better than a parking lot and 2) When you have a community fed a lower standard of quality, it takes time to cultivate taste and generate demand for better urban interventions/space.

    Bear in mind that this is me feeling quite generous today.  If I was to take your side of the discussion (where I frequently reside), Betsy, I would say that almost all is lost because at the root of Raleigh’s culture there is a system of control and an insensitivity to good urban planning and design.  That simply ain’t gonna change until cronyism leaves the local, county and state government behind or they start listening to the professional designers and planners they hire. 

    I don’t believe one can accomplish better building practices from the private side.  One cannot assume the developer to come with any more education than to enact his God-given capitalist right to maximize his profit on risk. With rules in place that act as a guide,however, they have no other choice other than to tow the line.  The “phenomenon” that is Raleigh’s growth seems to be fairly stable and I think its time that we consider instituting a stronger will.  I don’t believe it will send all the developers to Durham or elsewhere as the reactionary, John-Locke-Foundation d*#$suckers suggest.  And even if it did cause a bit of a slow down, it might actually give City staff a chance to think about what the hell they’re letting through.

    If you can’t strengthen the legislative process (i.e. Give the Appearance Commission some teeth), then you’ll have to be patient and wait “20 or 30 years until the first crop of near-misses and mistakes amortize themselves out of existence.”

    Like I said, the issue’s a bit more gray than the Hue’s gonna be….

  • brian_M10/20 08:32 PM

    Unfortunately, it takes someone with an architecture (or art) degree to fully appreciate a building in the High Modernism style. Picture your average citizen (you don’t have to go much farther than the G-105 audience)...are they going to give a damn about some old building that doesn’t have much cake decorating on it?

  • JZ10/21 01:22 PM

    Yea, I agree.  But I think with acclimatization, citizens can come to appreciate Modernism’s offerings.  In the 50s and 60s, when Modernism was THE mode, we saw the loss of many strutures with cake decorating culminating in the demolition NYC’s Grand Central Station (which inevitably kicked off the national preservation movement.  I saw that Sarah Denny Williamson was just inducted into the Raleigh Hall of Fame for her work in saving the Mordecai House, the North Blount Street Victorians and Seaboard Station.  The impending loss of those structures was due to a fashionable perception of being unattractive and outdated and unuseable.  Its the old adage, we love what our grandparents built but hate what our parents built.  Unfortunately it takes one of the children to save it long enough to be appreciated by the grandkids…..then again, that assumes it was built right the first time…uh, Hue?  perhaps not…..

  • brian_M10/21 01:55 PM

    Let’s just hope something good happens with the old Nehi building on Hillsborough Street.

    nehi_bottling.jpg

    This is one building that should be preserved as close to intact as possible. I googled it and results came back that said some guy who owns a construction company on Oberlin Rd. bought it in 2002 and there was all this blah-blah about it turning into his company’s headquarters, and he was going to go so far as to restore the Nehi sign. So much for good intentions. Probably just squatting on it until that part of the street reawakens. At least Bob Young is moving Lulu to the old NC Equipment Company building across from Cup A Joe. I hope he keeps that big sign on top…

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