More on the Public Competition to Gentrify Moore Square. I Mean, Redesign.
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Remember in The Untouchables when Sean Connery explains to Kevin Costner what he must do to get Al Capone? “He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue. That’s the Chicago way.”
Evidently, the Raleigh way is to receive a compliment and then put plans in motion to destroy the thing you were complimented for. I wrote this bowl of Chicken Soup for the Raleigh Soul because Moore Square is a unique part of our city. Two weeks later, we get this. I’m sure the Planning Department has been mulling this over for a while and correlation doesn’t mean causation, but WTF?
But that’s okay. This is how cities operate. Propose a plan, get feedback, weigh all the factors and make decisions. The galling part is how the Moore Square redesign is being sold as something different from what it is. The redesign isn’t about patchy grass or having more things for the kids to do (thank Goodness someone is thinking of the kids!); it’s about how if we get rid of the homeless, maybe more people will have dinner at the Duck and Dumpling.
Let’s quit pussyfooting around and have a real debate. What are the ethical implications of gentrification for Raleigh? Fifteen years ago, no one wanted to be downtown, so it was okay for the homeless to hang out. But now that enough Eddie Bauer-wearing upper middle class folks want to take their leisure downtown, we have to get the bums out. Everybody cool with that?
You have to tip your hat to the city, though, since the proposed contest will make it seem like everybody is behind this great plan. Raleigh Government will look responsive and inclusive and worthy of every good thing you can say. WRAL certainly thinks so. Check it out. If the city wants to do it, it must be good! Moore Square is a hidden gem! Why not just make an infomercial with Billy Mays yelling at us about the miraculous qualities of the place? That would have been more subtle than WRAL’s story.
And David Diaz from the Downtown Alliance didn’t come across well at all. That “it’s got good bones” line was creepy. Wrong metaphor altogether. Moore Square has good bones. Do you know what has real bones? The homeless people you’re going to kick out!
I doubt the homeless people will have much of a voice if and when this moves forward. There likely won’t be many entries for the redesign from that demographic, so let me negotiate for them. City of Raleigh, when you pick your winner, move forward with your redesign and kick the homeless out of Moore Square, here are our demands for the new spot. (You are making plans for a new spot aren’t you? You don’t think the homeless folks will just evaporate because you don’t see them?)
It must be surrounded by all the services aimed at the homeless that Moore Square currently has: shelters, soup kitchens, food pantries, a place to get second hand clothes, the whole works. And a bus station.
If you had asked nicely, maybe that would have been all we want. But since you’re trying to game us on this, we have a few other items:
1. High-end Restaurant. You’ll have to offer generous financial incentive to get a fancy restaurant to open, and honestly it probably will be a failure. But you’re used to dropping lots of cash on ill-conceived restaurants.
2. Jaume Plensa Art Installation. I think the homeless folks will actually appreciate aesthetic vision and drama. We know you don’t care for all that fancy bullcrap that passes for art these days.
3. Soft Ice Cream Machine. There’s no logic to this demand. It’s just payback for bringing Charlie Daniels to town this summer.
That’s it. Let us know when you’ve got everything ready and then the homeless folks will get out of Moore Square. That’ll leave more room for pillow fights and second-rate bands, all the things Raleigh wants to be known for.
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Carver
04/21 04:02 PM
Doh…!
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dt
04/21 05:48 PM
I don’t know any upper middle class people who wear Eddie Bauer, if you are going to be condescending, at least get your labels right-lacoste, polo and vineyard vines would have all been more applicable adjectives to describe the Raleigh yuppie.
On another note, we’re going to have to deal with where to move the homeless sooner or later, there is no way the city lets the bus station stay in its current location for that much longer.
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Brad
04/21 06:30 PM
We’re ‘going to have to deal with where to move the homeless sooner or later’? What? They’re really not that many of them. Really. And the bus station is amazingly efficient, it may need some tidying up, but where are you going to move it? It’s pretty well hidden and centrally located. When people start to discover CAT (plus increased funding currently in the pipeline), you’re going to be all about it.
Moore Square is actually a really good place for the homeless, there just aren’t other things around to complement their presence. It turns out Rittenhouse square in Philly has a lot of homeless too, its just a really nice neighborhood so nobody notices - and it has plenty of eyes on it from multistory buildings.
Everything seems to need to be moved in this city in order for it to be better. The Convention center looks just as dead as the old one. (Don’t quote me statistics, it still feels like a dead block.)
Finally, Nash Square has been relatively recently upgraded, and its much more dead than Moore square-and it has all of the things we seemingly keep demanding Moore Square have-expensive housing, nightclubs nearby, etc. Is that the future we want for our parks?
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MMI
04/21 06:49 PM
Kudos on calling out the condescension, dt.
Jesse, I think you will find that people don’t mind the homeless hanging out in Moore Square. It’s not a visual thing, either—very few people are that shallow & callous. What we *DO* mind is not being able to walk down the street or eat a meal in peace on the sidewalk at Tir Na Nog without being continually harassed for money. Guess what, my money is pretty important to ME, too. I will occasionally give someone those funds—more likely if they are displaying some skill via busking, etc.—but I’m starting to get a little irked by the bombardment with bullshit stories with just a little TOO much detail to be believable. -
Sallie
04/21 07:20 PM
As someone who lives just a couple of blocks from Moore Square, and walk through it nearly every day, I find this article mildly offensive and certainly going off the deep end. Moore Square dates back to 1792, when the city was first platted as the first planned capitol in our rather new country. Not including Union Square, there were four parks - now we’re down to just two. The park is an important part of our city’s history, and I am embarassed that it looks the way it does. The homeless really don’t bother me - there are some really nice people there who have fallen on hard times, and there are some people who are rather aggressive and make me a little nervous when I walk through late at night. That’s living downtown for you - and I like that diversity. That being said, the park looks TERRIBLE. Anyone who thinks it looks nice needs to walk through it a couple of times, and then toddle on over to Nash Square. It’s embarassing to take people through, and hate that it’s the primary impression that people get of our downtown when they attend various events (Artsplosure, concerts, farmer’s market, etc.) It looks barren. The dirt paths are ridiculous and are constantly flooded due to poor drainage. No grass. Some trees around the periphery, but just a couple of little ole’ Japanese maples in the center. Rickety benches, and not nearly enough, mind you - nothing that engenders a true community park. Again, this has nothing to do with the homeless - my only issue with them is the fact that so many of them trash the park. Just this morning I walked through and I couldn’t believe the mess - food wrappers, a shirt, styrofoam containers, beer cans, a liquor bottle - all within close proximity to trash cans. This is a problem. I don’t want a Nash Square, eaten up with a bunch of monuments that destroy the footprint of the park - or even a redesign - but I do expect that Moore Square at least look decent and be taken care of and receive the same treatment all the the other parks downtown and beyond get.
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Ryan
04/21 07:23 PM
Technically, I don’t think getting “rid of the homeless” qualifies as gentrification. Typically, gentrification means displacing lower class people from low-cost housing in order to build higher rent housing and amenities for more affluent people. From your description, that’s not what is happening with Moore Square.
Also, I think your attitude is overwhelming your argument (which otherwise has a lot of merit).
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Micah
04/21 09:12 PM
The bus station is on the corner of Jones and Harrington.
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highjoeltage
04/21 10:21 PM
I am in a similar situation as Sallie and I completely agree with what she said. I also agree with Ryan that displacement of the homeless is not really a good example of how gentrification impacts a community. I walk through moore square all the time and almost never get hassled for money. Homeless people, like parking meters are part of living in a urban or semi-urban environment. What downtown needs is a good place for people to congregate and hang out outside and I think moore square could very well be that place. Right now moore square is viewed more as an obstical than as usable space even though it is prime real estate. If the lighting and landscaping was improved I think people would use it more frequently as public space.
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rachel
04/21 11:16 PM
a. Micah, the bus terminal everyone is talking about would be the CAT bus terminal, not Greyhound. Normally I hate snippy comments on NR, but if you know where Moore Square is, then you would know what bus terminal everyone is talking about.
b. I am all for better landscaping, etc. in Moore Square. If you look at an aerial view of the park, you can see that it was actually created with some thought, but no one has kept up with the landscaping. That piece of land has great potential, and I think there is a way to clean up the trash & improve the landscaping without kicking out the homeless.
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brad j
04/22 12:13 AM
Nash square is perpetually dead, and Moore Square has multiple events every week. Why is Moore Square being singled out? Any reconstruction would invariably disrupt a lot of those events, and given their already tenuous nature, it would seem to be more harm than good. It’s just more Raleigh tweaking things that are already mostly good instead of tackling things that are always bad. (If we completely take homelessness out of it, which I don’t think we can because the users of the park are skewed given the city’s decisions on residential development nearby.)
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NCguy32
04/22 12:17 AM
Bums = diversity ?
So would downtown Raleigh be considered less diverse if it lost all the poeple who are alcoholics and drug addcits?
Public parks are not designed with the intent of housing the homeless. Get them the help they need and let the park be used for its intended puprose. To argue otherwise is idiotic.
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CF
04/22 08:52 AM
The fact that Nash Square is “dead,” is precisely the reason that it is so beautiful. I don’t want the city to start holding events there and see it trampled and littered with trash. Right now, it is somewhat of a hidden gem.
As for Moore Square, all that is really needed is decent upkeep. Plant some grass and a few trees, re pave the walkways, and install the same new benches as Nash Square. -
Ken Metzger
04/22 09:55 AM
You cannot have Downtown Raleigh Live, Artsplosure, and the World Beer Festival at Moore Square and still expect to have grass. Those kind of events are going to trample the park every time. The city just needs a new place for all of this, like the new amphitheater (if that is still happening). Redesigning Moore Square is complete waste of money. How about giving Salisbury and Wilmington the attention that was given Fayetteville St? Or buy some long neglected historical buildings and fix them up for some good multi-use. On a tangent, we need to find a way to get more rental units downtown. Not every is looking to own.
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Michael
04/22 10:30 AM
Can we please stop calling them “the homeless” as if they were some quaint subculture like “the Amish” who just need a source of food and a habitat (i.e. Moore Square) to be perfectly content.
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arthurb3
04/22 11:11 AM
Once the new combination transit station is built at the East end of Hargett the “homeless” and beggers will probably move there. After all, Hatem has already purchased the rights to the area where the bus station is now!
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News...from our Shoes
04/22 11:49 AM
I just love reading the comments of people who have no idea of what it is like to be homelesss. It is those, who are the first to tell us how to get out of homelessness, as if there is a cure-all for the entire homeless population and there is not.
I can’t tell a surgeon how to effectively perform a heart transplant, if I haven’t performed one, myself? Or, on a simpler note, tell someone, how to prepare the most finger lickin chicken there is…if I’ve never cooked any?
Take it from an insiders perspective….I dont make this post to be sarcastic or condescending, but to be realistic and practical.
First, for Mayor Meeker to tell us that the “homeless” is no longer a concern of the City since Wake County has stepped in, is unacceptable.
We are still human beings who live in the City of Raleigh; whether we abound or abase, rise or fall, succeed or fail and as the City makes an obvious concern to honor tax-paying citizens who do not “FEEL SAFE” because there are homeless people around, there should be equal interest in getting the homeless the services to prevent them from being or remaining homeless.Okay…so, there is a 10 year plan to end homelessness in effect…
Gee Whiz!
Big friggin deal !
Especially when we are half wey through it and there is really no headway being made…few people have been removed from their state of homelessness, surely, but not enough as there should be.
And why is that???
Well, let’s see.
Number one…The largest and most ignored component to ending homelessness is affordable housing. I mean it is not rocket science. The “powers that be” who can continually build elegant, lavish condo complexes in the name of urban renewal, have their prioriities out of whack.
If you really want to end homelessness, get the tools in place needed to do so and just do it and stop skirting around the issues.Our local politicians re as much to blame if not moreso.
Newly-elected Govenor Bev Perdue should make this issue of homelessness a definite priority.
Ooops, I forgot.
There is not enough money for affordable housing…but if you look around downtown Raleigh, you will see there is no lack in the construction of newer and more beautiful condo complexes….
Let’s face it!
It is all abcut CHOICES!
There could be enough money to create enough affordable housing if that were a true concern of our local bureaucrats, but it is more than obvious that it isnt.
If you are serious about “getting rid of the homeless” the stop talking about it and be about it.
Out of sight, out of mind, just ain’t quite workin, now is it?
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TiberC
04/22 12:10 PM
Bottom line:
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If people are living in the park, the ONLY way to move them is to allocate resources to genuinely help these people get out of their situation.
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The park is beautiful and anything done beyond maintenance and upkeep will begin a process of destruction. A process which can be seen throughout our declining city. Our most interesting architecture falls to the ground and the new architecture is lackluster, out of context, and completely non-creative. Out of a profit based mindset, our city soul is being drained.
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Durham, although not perfect, has more strength of character than ever. While Raleigh looks on blindly into high rises, curtain walls, large-scale development, and change for the sake of change. -
MMI
04/22 12:10 PM
From whomever wears the shoes, I can’t say that I see the lack of affordable housing as being the #1 cause of homelessness. I’d say it was more an effect of the lack of the MEANS to afford housing, whether through mental illness (lamentable), addiction (somewhat less lamentable), etc. Simply building cheap housing won’t really fix that problem, especially when someone chooses housing AFTER a list of other needs.
As for fixing the problem, I haven’t the first clue how, but I can tell you firsthand that it CAN be fixed. On a trip to Munich, Germany in 2006, I spent 10 days in a metro area of 6 million people (more than 2.5 million in the city itself). Know how many homeless people I saw, despite spending 98% of my time on foot? TWO. That’s right…two. Understand that I don’t want the US taxed near the rate of 52% that the Germans are taxed to help find this sort of social program, but there has to be a middle ground somewhere. Munich has the facilities available to house (and/or treat) any person who is without a home. Those that are on the street are actually there by choice. Munich isn’t a road map, maybe, but it’s a least a destination to aspire to. Plus, their beer is pretty damned good. -
News...from our Shoes
04/22 01:26 PM
To MMI…i never stated that some of the homeless are not so by their own choice,but is the solution; which you seem to deem proper is to constantly remind them of it??? As our judicial system is so quick to allow employers to hold our past felonious convictions over hour heads as if they are the “Swords of Damocles?”
NO!
These barriers to housing, emoployment, mental illness and drug addictiion need to be addresed at face value, but the populous is concentrating on one of these areas ....drug addiction.
Why not get to the root cause of their addictions?
It is a fact that something happenned on our lives to make us become addicted?
What was it???
That is what needs to be addressed, first, then transition necessary services around these clients, then house them, so they can successfully re-enter society, emmployed, housed and more readuly stable to handle their new responsible lives.
Don’t continually throw their faults in their faces, as if that is going to bring about change, because it will not. It will only bring about mroe rebellion and those like yourself could stand to be more empathetic, as opposed to being so critical.
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MMI
04/22 01:48 PM
Actually, I’m pretty certain that I was pointing out the various other root causes for homelessness (other than simply ‘not having a home’). Not once did I throw anything in anyone’s face.
Please be so kind as to show me how you are reading my post(s) to say that. I’m wondering how I confused you. -
News...from our Shoes
04/22 01:57 PM
You did not confuse me,but I might ask you the same question as to how you responded to my initial post?
As you probably are unaware of, there is a hold on allowing guys to get into the program at the south wilmington street center…shelter for men, because they took lots of men in, but can’t move them out due to no where to house them….i.e. a lack of affordable housing, so it is more of a problem that even you realize.I live there and I know more of what goes on in the lives of the homeless than you may have heard about or read…
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i like shoes too....
04/22 02:24 PM
i have worked hard to get where i’m at and have never looked for a free handout. maybe “the homeless” should assume some personal responsibility/accountability for their actions and make an honest effort at improving their situation. i’m sure some homeless people have given an honest effort but plenty of people just want a handout.
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News...from our Shoes
04/22 02:30 PM
Again…some of the homeless you will never be able to save and that is unfortunate, but you can save the ones that are willing to be saved and allow the others to be saved when the light comes on for them.
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MMI
04/22 02:42 PM
Newsie,
I am basing my assesment of your post from this statement:
“Number one…The largest and most ignored component to ending homelessness is affordable housing.”
My response was that there are clearly other (and, in my opinion, more pressing) components to the problem than simply lack of housing.
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News...from our Shoes
04/22 02:45 PM
and I do agree MMI, there are more components needed in this fight to end homelessness, but the housing portion plays a amjor role in it…how’s that?
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Matt Huffman
04/22 04:33 PM
Here’s a question: has anyone with the city of Raleigh, the Downtown Raleigh Alliance or the competition actually said anything about homeless people in Moore Square?
Has anyone, outside of the owner of the Metro Cafe, actually made any such claims that has everyone up in arms?
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News...from our Shoes
04/22 05:23 PM
Matt:
I am one of those homeless that frequent Moore Squae, so I gess that is why I may seem a bit up in arms.
It upsets me when people throuw in ther viewpoints to obviously continue to notice,yet ignore a problem that has spiraled out of control.
No one wants to address that.
They only care about their intrests or their mindsets as to how they should be rid of us.
I know some of the homeles can be a bit overbearng and frightening, even…but that is not all of us.
Do I sould like one of those who would be endangerng to you or your children?
But I guess neither did the CL Killer, huh?
OK…point taken, but i am saying, at least try to get to koow peole berfore casting dispersions against them.You never know where the next celebrity or company VP will come from…the homeless.
Carver…you are the very type of person who is obviously stereotypical of everyone outside of his clique.
people like you are unforgiving, harsh, cold and callous and would never understand anything outside of your own realm because it is too much for you to cope with.The truth…even about daily life…is too much for some to cope with…some just can;t deal with it and I guess you are one of those…sad….Bums+Diversity..well if that is your spin on the subject…here is mine to you…just WTF DO YOU THINK BUMS WERE BEFORE THEY BECAME BUMS?
NOW…THAT HAS MADE MY DAY.
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Matt Huffman
04/22 05:31 PM
If anyone from Raleigh itself had made some overture to the homeless during this process, then I could certainly understand your concerns. However, the lack of that communication has made me think otherwise.
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Ken Metzger
04/22 06:11 PM
I have not seen any direct quotes from the city or Downtown Alliance about homeless, but things like “You can have families feel comfortable sitting there” does speak to what they are looking for. Why do they think families are uncomfortable? (not that they need to be now) I am pretty sure it is not in regards to the benches or stone walls that are too firm, and that what the park really needs is some good couches.
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platitudes
04/22 07:02 PM
kicking the homeless out of moore square won’t help businesses much if there’s still a bus line nearby and plenty of cheap-asses willing to park three blocks away than in a deck. shouldn’t we have seen this problem coming when they “remodeled” the alexander y?
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T-Plain
04/22 09:46 PM
“News…from our Shoes”—thanks for the comments. I don’t have much to say, other than thanks for the fresh viewpoint.
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Michael Watkins
04/22 09:55 PM
Thanks to you all who responded with an open mind. There are certain issues regarding the beautifying of the City of Raleigh that need to be addressed in the proper perspective and getting rid of the homeless from dodwntown is not necessarily the answer.
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Tori
04/23 11:51 AM
So…I have lived in a few larger cities in my life….Hollywood comes to mind. I remember how they went to “cleaning up the streets” which had nothing to do with soap and water and everything to do with making it less hospitable to the homeless youth that hung around (me being one of them). They made it difficult to get on the roofs of the buildings….changed the bus benches from wood to concrete and moved them closer to the street , surrounded all the trees with wrought iron bars (no siestas under the shade for you!) They added more bicycle patrols and they built drop in centers farther away from the boulevard and started canvasing in the day and night to help these folks figure out their next move.
Of course they have a much better comprehensive public transportation…don’t get me started on that.
So here is a proposal…first off Moore square has a lot of events in it that do make it difficult to get grass growing…but there are hardy strains of turf that probably would fair a bit better..so..plant a few more trees…plant some grass…add some “shelters”...these would have awnings that could be placed on them during events and carted off afterward to be stored for the future..(this carting off of the awnings is just so some folks’ delicate sensibilities won’t be disturbed by thinking perhaps a person with no where to go may find shelter there as well)
....and then while your waiting for the grass to grow…
fix the mental health system in North Carolina…add some more incentive programs for those without homes or work to have a home so they can look for work…even if it is merely some abandoned warehouse building that they can say is their address.(employers don’t usually hire you if you don’t have an address..interesting catch 22 if you have ever had to deal with it…i have)
And then we have to look at the whole//“they bother me when i sit on the public sidewalk and eat”..well…LA has a fix for that…they are called fences and barricades…(they are pretty..not just concrete walls…so don’t get all excited there future builders of Raleigh we know how you like that function over form look)
So basically if there were more programs offering a hand up and not a hand out a majority of homeless folks would jump at it…in fact i bet a ton of folks would tend the new grass and trimmed the new bushes..but what do i know…sorry i started rambling..but you get the picture…. -
sarah emily
04/24 02:47 PM
For what it’s worth, my preferred downtown zone is the Moore Square district and like most I have my favorite haunts so I don’t venture beyond my comfort zone that often, but it would be nice to have a grassy square with sun streaming in to lounge on during sunny days. Usually I go to Pullen Park for that or out to Jordan Lake, but that requires driving. The allure of Moore Square to me is that it’s less than 1.5 miles from Oakwood and Oakdale neighborhoods. I’ve been a frequent visitor and rarely get harassed by the vagrants that have no place to go and just meander around Moore Square. It’s quite common for urban areas to experience people on the streets all hours of the day, some with places to go after last call and some with no place to lay their head at all. Where’s the compassion for people down and out? Volunteer some time at the Raleigh Mission, smile when you see someone down on their luck and by all means understand that not everyone has it so good. On Sunday afternoons when the lunch meal line has just ended I usually think to myself that those benefiting from Raleigh’s generous neighbors are lucky, they usually have warm coats during the winter and free food in their bellies. From an outside perspective it appears that Raleigh takes good care of our homeless people. Wait? Is that what this thread was about?
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Chris
05/04 08:39 PM
I have a cheap and simple solution. Use that bus station to put the homeless on buses and then drop them all off in Southeast Raleigh. Then all the white people from Brier Creek can have picnics in the square without fear of the homeless snatching their children.
Only issue is when Southeast Raleigh becomes gentrified, we’ll have to move them again.
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Jeanne
06/17 04:49 PM
Thank you to those who are in the situation helping to give perspective.
Those of you who haven’t really taken a look at the square, you should. A lot of the homeless still have cars because they were like us not so long ago. I love how the mission lets them park in the parking lot at night to give them a safe place to sleep. I wish more places would.
Please don’t pull a Hollywood or Seattle. I moved from the Seattle area 6 years ago with good reason. Seattle had adopted the same attitude of Hollywood of lets see how we can get rid of the homeless by making the parks as undesireable to sleep in as possible. They too did the metal fences around trees, high concrete walls instead of grass, etc.
One thing they also did that I was totally shocked about was they adopted a law where you weren’t allowed to sleep or sit on any sidewalk in the entire downtown area. It used to be under bridge overpasses there would be tents. I had no problem with it. Most didn’t. I don’t know how cities expect to help the situation when they make it worse doing things like that.
In 2001 Seattle had a 6.7 earthquake which devastated a lot of the Pioneer Square. 2 of the homeless shelters had to be shut down because they were deemed unsafe after the earthquake. Eventually they opened up a building for people to stay to give them an address to get back on their feet. Unfortunately one thing they didn’t address or care about was the fact that a lot of the homeless were spending their time in said building drinking their lives away.
I say just update the landscaping a bit and talk to the homeless about what made them become homeless. If there is an addiction or mental issue lets find funding to help them. Building more buildings that aren’t going to get filled isn’t the answer. Give the homeless an address they can use for job applications.
I worked for a company that worked with the city of Seattle and Seattle Jobs Initiative through the Fanny Mae Foundation. We helped the homeless, low income, and fresh out of jail learn techniques for job interviews, get resumes built, and give transportation and food assistance. We helped with job placement. It didn’t matter your background, we had people to help any situation. Maybe this is something Raleigh can look into. All of the clients had to be sober and drug free for 6 months before we would take them on. We had information for those that needed to get sober and clean to be able to get into the programs we had.
We are all the same on the inside and those in the square could be one of us in a moments notice. Don’t judge people on their situation, talk to them and find out how they got to the situation. You might find some interesting people. You might find someone similar to yourself. You might just find a friend.
Be thankful you have a roof over your head during these storms we have been having. Think of all those in the square that don’t and have to deal with the flooding. Fix what is broken, don’t paint over it and ignore it.
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Ken Metzger
06/17 05:21 PM
Well said, Jeanne. I, too, was in Seattle when they were passing these laws. The one I remember was that they were going to make it illegal to sleep in your car.
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