North Carolina To Deport Illegal Immigrants Too?

North Carolina To Deport Illegal Immigrants Too?

May, 27, 2010 , by Jedidiah

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On the heels of the intensely debated and controversial Arizona Immigration Law it looks like North Carolina’s Senate is setting itself up for vote on a similar type of law for our state. The bill would make it legal for the state to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants and is the idea of retired police officer and six term North Carolina State Senator Don East. East filed the joint resolution during today’s short session General Assembly. North Carolina is the 18th state to consider such deportation regulations.

We know most of the issues related to such a law, considering Arizona already passing it. Should North Carolina attempt to pass it, there is sure to be a lot of controversy brewing in the Old North State.

Example in numbers: In 2000, “60,072 of Wake County’s 687,918 residents (8.7%) were foreign-born according to this interactive immigration map.

(Good call on these numbers, I completely read them wrong.)

Let’s hope that reform is more in our state’s future than deportation and hopefully the bill won’t get very far any time soon. According to this report from Fox Charlotte, East feels that “illegals take jobs and bleed the system, bleed schools and cost this country dearly.” Get that? Bleed. wow.








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  • Carver
    05/27 04:04 PM

    Taco Bell???

  • Phillo
    05/27 05:01 PM

    That map shows Census data which I assume is a count of legal immigrants.  What are the numbers on illegal immigrants in Wake County? 
     
    I don’t think it is unreasonable for illegal immigrants to expect that they would be deported.  If I entered a country illegally, or if my legal status expired while there, I would expect to be deported. 
     
    That said, we have bigger fish to fry in NC than going after illegals.  Let ICE devote time, money and manpower to that, not the state.

  • CtrlBurn
    05/27 05:42 PM

    As much as I love North Carolina, I wish it didn’t have so many narrow-minded, selfish hicks.

  • Gene
    05/27 07:38 PM

    “OFFICAL” ?  That manly looking beast with a sign should probably consider learning English herself.  Unreal!

  • Jeffofzion
    05/27 08:35 PM

    “Example in numbers: In 2000, “60,072 of Wake County’s 687,918 residents (8.7%) were foreign-born according to this interactive immigration map.”

    What does this number have to do with illegal immigrants?

  • miamiblue
    05/27 08:36 PM

    I just want to take a moment to remind everyone that “foreign-born” does not = “illegal immigrant”. In fact, as Phillo mentioned, those census numbers are likely only counting legal foreign-born residents. It is incredibly difficult to count illegal immigrants because they tend to fly under the radar as much as possible when it comes to such things.

  • ct
    05/27 11:26 PM

    Aside from political questions, the term “illegal immigrants” is grammatically wrong. Actions are illegal; people are not. I prefer “unadmitted aliens”, a term that is used in the federal court system.

  • semiDave
    05/28 03:27 AM

    If they are here w/o a right to be here, get rid of them.  Sorry but allowing someone to come and suck the money/jobs from our state isnt really want we need. 


    THEY ARE TAKING OUR “YOBS”!

  • gd
    05/28 08:44 AM

    well said CTRLBURN

  • TheDude
    05/28 09:40 AM

    That man-troll ‘woman’ in the photo needs to show us her White-Superior-Person-Card. If she doesn’t have one she must be an Outsider!!

    Outsiders must be herded up and put in re-edumacashun camps!!

  • Jon Williams
    05/28 09:47 AM

    The data consistently show that “unadmitted aliens” *are* in fact a drain on the system—but only for the first two or three years they’re here. After that, they’re actually a net benefit. They often pay taxes (against someone else’s Social Security number) for benefits they’ll never receive.

    Believe what you will on the jobs issue, but tell me: When was the last time you dug a ditch? Hell, when was the last time you *applied* to dig a ditch? Or pick crops? etc etc.

    The fact of the matter is that on the whole, these laborers are taken advantage of (minimum wage? what’s that?) more than they take advantage.

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    05/28 09:50 AM

    Read this by Michelle Malkin from OneNewsNow

    Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement.” But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in “Nazi-zona” last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

    The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

      - The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?
       
      - If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own healthcare.
       
      - Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal alien aunt—a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).
       
      - Law enforcement officials at all levels—by national mandate—must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.
       
      - Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

    All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, DC-based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

    Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

    But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

    As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

    Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social justice groups and the Catholic Church leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

    Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing—a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here’s the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid, and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

    Hipócritas.

  • Ron
    05/28 10:09 AM

    Ginny, I stopped reading your verbal diarrhea after I saw the words “Michelle Malkin”.
    That bitch makes Glenn Beck look sane.

  • gd
    05/28 10:10 AM

    haha @ Ron and thats a very tough task to do.

  • Mike
    05/28 12:58 PM

    @Ron - another fine example of progressive tolerance and willingness to actually THINK about multiple aspects of an argument. Bravo!

    I will not allow Progressives to re-define the issue into their typical divisive, name calling, race/class politics agenda.

    ILLEGAL Immigrants (sorry- no semantic games allowed anymore) are here illegally. If you don’t understand that simple fact, well you need to read up on how the law actually works. This is NOT about immigrants. I am an immigrant, so I kinda like to have “them” around.

    You can come up with endless arguements about how you need either to allay your white guilt, your wealth guilt, or your progressive agenda that NEEDS dependent, disempowered, victims to build your voter base to keep you in power. You simply cannot get around the fact that ILLEGAL immigrants are here illegally.

    I am amused by your compassion for illegals, but have nothing to say about WHY they come here. Get active in helping transform their own country from a corrupt, pathetic socialist regime to a free democratic republic. Wouldn’t you do the most good for the most people that way? Many illegals come here because their nown country lacks anything like American exceptionalism.

    Probably wasting my breath on progressives. You see, it is not about immigrants - legal or otherwise. As usual, it is always about increassing the progressives hold on POWER. Create a crisis, agitate, cast blame, swoop in as the savior—Saul Alinsky would be proud…

  • gd
    05/28 01:15 PM

    i couldn’t care less if someone comes here legally or illegally to be honest.

  • Jon Williams
    05/28 01:35 PM

    @Mike - Who exactly are these progressives desperately clinging to power? I’d love to meet them. Chances are pretty good, if you’re progressive, you aren’t winning any elections in the first place.


    (And don’t say “Obama” or I might choke on my uptight, liberal bile.)


    Building a constituency upon the dependent and disempowered is by no means exclusive to the Democratic party playbook. You sound plenty intelligent enough to know that.

  • ct
    05/28 01:39 PM

    My ancestors landed in Charleston from Switzerland in 1736. I’m sure they didn’t have valid visas or even passports when they arrived, nor did they speak English.

    I’m always amazed at the widespread perception of scarcity: there are only so many jobs to go around, employment is a zero-sum game, etc. By and large, in the United States that’s false when viewed across the entire economy. Hispanic immigrants, whether their entry was legal or not, are taking jobs that nobody else wants! Name me just one person who was directly displaced by a Hispanic immigrant in North Carolina.

    But with enough time to compile a list, I could give you at least 2,000 names of Triangle residents whose jobs were transferred overseas by IBM, Cisco, Nortel, etc. Those were high paying jobs that are never coming back.

    Where is the outrage about that? Well, there isn’t any—because it’s just how the world works. (Republicans love a free market, until it screws them personally.) Instead, outrage is directed at the Hispanic working at the McDonalds drive-thru window or installing a new roof next door.

    Reality is that if we sent all the Hispanics home, our economy would crash. Stuff wouldn’t get done… until the white folks discover that the only jobs they can get are the jobs they didn’t want in the first place.

  • Jon Williams
    05/28 01:45 PM

    @ct - Word. Well said.


    speaking of preying upon the dependent and disempowered ... let’s talk about political divide-and-conquer across race, religion, gender, sexual-orientation, income ... (And no, that’s not exclusive to the Republican party playbook either)

  • Revise
    05/28 01:56 PM

    ‘East feels that “illegals take jobs and bleed the system, bleed schools and cost this country dearly.”’

    I wonder how he feels about private corporations (including those entities that accept large amounts of gov’t funding and subsidies) working with politicians to import this poor, unskilled population who will accept low wages while coming from countries where there is no concept of individual rights?

    I have seen no anger or vitriol aimed at corporations who initiated and maintain the importation of cheap labor, nor the Wall St investors who force companies to ship labor overseas. Rather it’s directed at the individuals who are only doing what most others would do if they were in the same situation.

    It is no accident that civic education in this country has eroded while immigrant children increase their population. This leads to a society that is ignorant of concepts like Habeas Corpus and other individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The ‘unlawful combatants’ held at Guantanamo have been, and will continue to be, the impetus for further judicial erosion of US Citizens’ rights.

    Yet the “conservatives” and tea-partiers keep pointing their fingers at impoverished families, while liberals and progressives advance citizenship as the only ‘humane’ solution. Both sides ignore the 10 ton elephant in the room.

  • Anchorman
    05/28 03:46 PM

    Stay classy, Raleigh!

  • Phillo
    05/28 03:50 PM

    “Reality is that if we sent all the Hispanics home, our economy would crash” 
     
    No one is saying we should send all Mexican-born immigrants home. Not every Hispanics in the area is undocumented. I’m am sure many would be pissed and offended at that assumption. 
     
    It seems to be very difficult to find out the percentage of all Mexican-born residents in the area that are undocumented,  so it is impossible to say what the impact on labor and the economy would be if all illegals were deported. 
     
    No one seems to have a problem when Europeans, Canadians and South Asians in the area are deported for expired visas, but as soon as you suggest these same immigration laws apply to people from Mexico, Central, and South America, you hate brown people. 
     
    People like Sen. East don’t help the matter, but let’s try not to reduce the level of discourse to his level.

  • bModR8
    05/28 04:06 PM

    All I can say is that my grandfather didn’t come 4000 miles over the ocean to live here only to see this great country overrun by immigrants!

  • Jennifer C
    05/28 05:02 PM

    “Illegal” implies that a crime was committed.  Being in this country without proper documentation is a civil offense, more akin to speeding or driving without valid registration.  Anyone that uses the inflammatory term “illegal immigrant” doesn’t want to have a true, honest debate on the issue. 
    I am all for strong laws and enforcement of those laws.  When was the last time a corporate CEO was busted for hiring undocumented workers??  This is not a problem that we can deport our way out of—it is time to stop marginalizing this population and welcome them into mainstream.

  • Drew
    05/28 06:04 PM

    I just want to throw it out there that the Census includes illegal immigrants.  It’s arguable whether they fill out forms at a significant rate, but the Census is designed to count anyone residing in the US irrespective of status.  It seems like some people are under the impression that the Census ONLY counts legal immigrants and that isn’t accurate.

    The number you cited almost certainly includes illegal immigrants.

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    05/28 06:24 PM

    When immigrants choose to enter our country illegally, they have already committed a crime.  It’s referred to as a misdemeanor.  It’s illegal to enter the United States without proper documentation.  Why does the Obama administration care more for aliens than they do for our own citizens?  This whole scene is unfathomable!  Since Obama doesn’t care about illegals paying for their crimes, he should wipe out one crime per citizen from the records of any of us who have criminal records!

  • gd
    05/28 06:52 PM

    Ginny, now you’re just talking senseless.  Obama cares more for aliens than US citizens?  Seriously?  Can you look at yourself in the mirror and say that?  If so, you’re a lost cause.  That is the most ridiculous thing I have read all day - and I read the comments on WRAL!

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    05/28 07:00 PM

    As my mentor, Dr. James Dobson, stated on his radio program recently,“If our values are not preserved at this moment of destiny, this nation
    and most others in the Western world will fold, and freedom itself will go down with it.”

  • ct
    05/28 10:09 PM

    Oh, that’s good—hang this one on Obama. Look, the border of Mexico has been leaky since the 1970s. I believe the primary migration began during the Nixon and Ford administrations. A lot of it more happened during the Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II administrations. Hanging this on Obama is non-sense.

  • INSTIGATOR
    05/29 12:10 PM

    Sounds like some people don’t want to enforce the law….if you break the law you pay the price.  Aren’t we all in agreement on that?

    To a larger point…the SOLUTION to the immigration problem is simple:  legalize drugs, stop taxation, and stop requiring any form of documentation requirements for immigrants.  Criminal drug activity is the major source of crime in the border states; legalize them, and the production of drugs and import of them becomes a legitimate industry generating real jobs, not at all unlike the import of tequila or corona.  Stop taxation, and you end the overwhelming amount of free social programs that these “illegals” use; this is the primary reason conservatives don’t want illegala here in the first place.  Remove documentation requirements, and no one is illegal!  People would flow freely in and out of the country, would contribute to what makes this nation great, and could leave it they wished to do so.

    I realize that almost no one will agree with me on this, but anything short of it is doomed to fail…..or maybe you can just keep building that wall and see how well that works out.

  • ct
    05/29 12:26 PM

    The problem with being a Libertarian is stepping on the slippery slope to being an Anarchist. Ayn Rand had a lot more in common with Leon Trotsky than just being born in Russia.

  • INSTIGATOR
    05/29 12:29 PM

    ...the problem with being a democrat or a republican is….well, just look around you.

  • ct
    05/29 12:38 PM

    Yes, it’s a messy world in which we live.

  • Paisan
    05/29 07:32 PM

    Here’s the elephant in the room that everyone seems to be ignoring: Where does the power to deport reside? With the State or with the Federal Government?
    If the power to deport resides ONLY with the Federal Government, then, anything the State does merely supplements the police powers of the Feds - arrest and detain illegal aliens.
    Any Constitutional legal authorities on this site?

  • B
    05/31 12:47 PM

    Just think about how much money people send to their families out of the country. Money that will never be recycled back into Wake County’s economy. By my calculations its around 90 Million dollars a year. Based off 10% of a minimum wage salary for 60K foreign born people living in Wake Co. And believe me people who dig ditches make more than $7.25/hr. That person that turns the stop and go sign at road construction sites makes $12/hr.

  • john
    05/31 04:57 PM

    tHEY KNOW THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, AND SHOULD EXPECT THE HARSHEST PUNISHMENT IF CAUGHT. iN THESE TIMES OF UNCERTAINTY, INSECURITY, AND TERRORISM- ONLY A FOOL DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS ALLOWING UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE TO REMAIN CAN POTENTIALLY CAUSE…..OR IF YOU BELIEVE IN AIDING AND ABETTING, THERE ARE LAWS DESIGNED FOR YOU, TOO.

  • Ron
    06/01 10:27 AM

    Ginny, you really want to associate yourself with the worst of the worst don’t you? Malkin, Dobson. You’d probably go down on Ann Coulter if given half the chance, wouldn’t you?

  • Phillo
    06/01 12:37 PM

    @john:  I think your caps-lock key is stuck. 
     
    @B: You are assuming that the 60k foreign born people in the area are minimum wage workers _and_ send money back to their countries of origin.  Anecdotally, none of my foreign-born coworkers make minimum wage and I doubt they want or need to send money back. 
     
    Please, people.  We are discussing illegal immigrants, not immigrants as a whole.

  • ct
    06/01 01:52 PM

    Xenophobia is alive and well, apparently. It’s sad. Go to any company in Research Triangle Park—which has been the primary engine for economic development in the Triangle since the 1960s—and you’ll see as many as 1 in 5 workers who weren’t born in the U.S. I used to work at one such company. Of course, all these workers came across the border legally; many have gone on to obtain U.S. citizenship.

  • RG
    06/01 03:06 PM

    Please don’t be sarcastic or dismissive about this. Americans are angry as hell, and sure it’s being misdirected at the worst possible causes, but that doesn’t change the situation.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/146798/the_man_behind_arizona’s_harsh_immigration_law_is_coming_to_your_state  <—Straight Bush-era politics. The GOP dominated government from 2000-2006 and didn’t do a single thing about immigration, and now it’s all state’s rights and federal government isn’t “doing their job” just to drop a turd on Obama.

    Expect the US to get even more right-wing and racist as the economy deteriorates.

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    06/02 11:03 AM

    Instead of focusing on right and left, we need to focus on RIGHT and WRONG!

  • Ron
    06/02 11:57 AM

    If you are on the Right, you are wrong.

  • ct
    06/02 12:11 PM

    To paraphrase François Guizot, “Not to be a [liberal] at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.” It’s an urban legend, incidentally, that Winston Churchill said this. Guizot actually said “republican”, but that’s a question of French history.

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    06/02 12:13 PM

    Ron, I’m surprised you believe in right and wrong.

  • W
    06/13 04:33 AM

    Illegal means illegal! What is so difficult for people to understand? 20 million illegal people are taking resources from our country, costing us billions, bankrupting schools and hospitals, filling our prisons, and working under the table, contributing nothing. If landlords did not rent to undocumented people and greedy business owners paid a living wage to legal Americans instaed of hiring illegals to work “cheap” perhaps the illegals would not have entered in such masses. Anyone who thinks we should keep illegals here should try to cross a border in any other country illegally and see that outcome.  This is not a race issue. It is a criminal issue.Lincoln said,” A country divided can not stand.” Isn’t that what is happening now? Instead of blending we are a nation that has 2 main languages. Someone needs to enforce our laws if Washington won’t!

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    06/13 09:12 AM

    THANK YOU, W!!!!!!!  Grace and peace to you!

  • Insufferable Hipster Douchebag
    06/13 11:40 AM

    It’s not the enforcement of our immigration laws that bothers me, it’s the manner in which they will go after people here illegally. I really don’t want to have the police go around demanding to see papers based on their appearance. Having spoken with people who had to show their papers in Nazi Germany and Poland and had them comment on the current political situation would really provide the Ginnys and Ws of our country with some insight. This kind of law is yet another erosion of the liberties that our country holds sacred by the radical right.

  • john b
    06/13 12:04 PM

    It erodes our civil rights to identify and deport illegal immigrants!?  Doesn’t stopping criminals streghnten our civil freedoms?    Isn’t it the 14th amendment that prohibits police from randomly asking ANYONE for identification.  We already accept millions of LEGAL immigrants-more than any country on the planet.  Why don’t you liberals go squawk up someone else’s doorstep.

  • matt
    06/13 01:14 PM

    (pounds shoe on table) WE WILL BURY YOU!

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    06/13 01:33 PM

    How tolerant of you, Matt.

  • smitty
    06/13 03:22 PM

    lol at Khrushchev

  • ct
    06/13 06:49 PM

    The immigrants in question (unlike numerous citizens) don’t qualify for entitlements at taxpayer expense. These immigrants either work or starve, so they work. They pay payroll taxes (including Social Security, which they will never draw on) and they pay sales taxes on what they buy. For the most part, they take jobs that nobody else wants. It’s not greedy employers but desperate employers. It’s always interesting how people who believe in the free market, the American Way, etc suddenly run for cover when there is competition.

  • Insufferable Hipster Douchebag
    06/13 06:55 PM

    Exactly, CT. I think these “conservatives” would change their tune about this cheap labor when a pint of strawberries costs $15.

  • john
    06/13 09:20 PM

    This is fun!  I believe most conservatives would be willing to pay higher prices to ensure american made, or grown- just as liberals are willing to pay higher gas prices in exchange for americans driving smaller and less.
    It is notable the high unemployment among teens, who would normally be working low wage, starter jobs. Also, people needing to supplement their incomes or who faced unemployment would use these same jobs when needed.

  • Insufferable Hipster Douchebag
    06/14 10:58 AM

    Would they? I don’t know. Republicans love Wal-Mart and big business. What is Wal-Mart other than China’s cheap plastic crap outlet to the US? And corporations don’t worry about anything other than maximizing profits.

    Would I pay more for goods if they were produced here in the US? Hell yes! I would and do. Would I prefer to give a mom and pop store my money versus some big box store? Yes, I would and do. Would I prefer that we develop clean energy so we could stop shipping money to countries that are not our friends? Yes.

    As for teens and people who need to supplement their income. I honestly just can’t see those people engaging in backbreaking manual labor or working in a slaughterhouse. Not to devalue that kind of work, but I would rather my teen go to a math and science camp during the summer. And if I needed to supplement my income on a part-time basis I just don’t see how you could work part-time doing the kind of manual labor that most illegals do. They look for full-time jobs or jobs that take up large chunks of time.

    Would I like to have our laws enforced? Yes, but not if it means that my relatives and kids have to walk around worrying about the police harassing them for papers. If you’re white then you’ve never had to worry about police shooting you because you look guilty. You’ve never had your house invaded by the police by accident. I bet you’ve never had dogs and water cannons turned on your friends and relatives when you stood up for your basic rights. So you’ll excuse some of us liberals when we say that laws based on racial profiling are a bad idea.

  • Keith Crabtree is the INSTIGATOR
    06/17 05:47 PM

    HAHAHAHAHA!  Insufferable is funny…....I love that you have ZERO understanding of markets, energy policy, labor economics, immigration law, or American history….and you managed to show all of it in one post (albeit a long and boring read).

    TRY AGAIN!

  • john b
    06/17 07:54 PM

    I want my teen to learn the joy and pride resulting from hard work, and then they learn that with skills, they don’t have to work as hard. Each job is a stepping stone.
    HERE IS THE CRUX!  we have become so successful and coddled the current generation so much, they aren’t taught what hard work does for you….AND since they haven’t seen the horrors of Communism (USSR) or ignore the human rights violations of Communism ( China)  they don’t even know the wondrous rewards of all types available for the individual who is willing to work both hard and smart.

  • silvia
    06/22 03:28 PM

    TO you SEMIDAVE us MEXICANS are not takeing your “YOBS” we might be takeing yalls “JOBS” SO PLEASE CHECK THAT OUT OK oh an I live in mexico and can read, speak, and write ingish too

  • arthurb3
    06/22 03:39 PM

    Illegal Immigrants should be deported. If they want to come back they can do it through legal means.

  • Chico
    07/09 11:24 AM

    This looks like a good spot for a few “modest” proposals:

    1) If your family was not here before the Civil War ended you would be considered an illegal alien, and would be deported with all the other illegals. And if you commit three felonies you will be deported to the country of your family origin.

    2) Outlaw the combustion engine, use existing technologies for our energy needs, and completely remove the need for fossil fuels. The oil companies can start growing hemp to pay their bills. Then there would be no reason at all to be in the Middle East. We will also need to build many more nuclear power plants.

    3) Remove ourselves from the UN and NATO, and bring ALL of our troops home to protect our coasts and our borders with Canada and Mexico. To provide work for our troops they would take over the prison system, and all crimes committed in prison would be dealt with by military tribunal. Also, we should withdraw from the S.A.L.T. Treaty, and resume the “Star Wars” project to protect ourselves from invasion from outer-space.

    4) Make education and health care free, and make it mandatory that all citizens graduate college and stay in shape. Failure to do you will result in time in a work camp. Also, not only will English be the official language, but fucked up accents (i.e. rednecks and “Ebonics”) will be outlawed as well. Anyone not sounding Canadian will be put into a work camp.

    5) Change the national anthem to “America, the Beautiful”. It should have been that anyway.

    6) All products used in the United States must be manufactured in the U.S., as well as all of it’s component parts. No American company will be allowed to outsource labor to a foreign nation. Sprint will have to use Americans if they want me to upgrade to the “Everything Plan”. Also all drugs produced in the U.S. will be legal as long as they have all natural ingredients. And they ALL will be required to have all natural ingredients.

    7) Finally, television will be limited to 100 channels. Companies will have to petition the public for the right to use our mind space. This will probably eliminate the Jersey Shore and shit like that, but that could go either way.

    -Concerned citizen

  • arthurb3
    07/09 11:53 AM

    Chico

    You make me laugh out loud!

    Hans

  • Arizona Spirit
    07/12 12:42 PM

    *****The Obama administration thinks it is reasonable to require everyone living in the US to obtain health insurance, but not citizenship.******

  • Arizona Spirit
    07/12 12:46 PM

    North Carolina Arizona back your decision to prosecute and deport illegal immigrants.

  • shorty3
    07/15 07:49 PM

    Sorry to be the picky lawyer in the bunch, but your headline is totally wrong.  NC will never be able to, nor can Arizona, “deport” anyone.  Deportation is a *federal* civil remedy for the civil offense of being present in the country without documentation or violating your lawful immigrant status in certain ways.  It is not a criminal remedy, and it is the exclusive remedy of the federal govt to impose, not the states.  Not even Arizona’s new law gives the state power to deport people.  AZ’s new law says that the state has the authority to go out looking for undoc folks, to arrest anyone who the state has a “reasonable suspicion” of being here without documentation, and to then turn them over to the feds.  The feds will deport the people, not the state.  So, your headline is incorrect.
    Without further ranting on my part, the AZ law is absolutely ridiculous and will lead immediately to racial profiling.  And who is going to be hurt by that?  Legal, U.S. citizens and legal immigrants who the police have a “reasonable suspicion” of being undocumented, hmmm…maybe because they have brown skin and black hair??  What the hell else are the police going to base it on???  So, if you support the AZ law, it means you support harassment and arrest of legal, U.S. citizens, born and raised in this country, who will now be stopped, questioned, and arrested if they cannot provide proof of their citizenship.  How many of you walk around with your birth certificate in your pocket?  I can’t wait to live in a police state, it will be really fab for all of us citizens.

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    07/16 08:30 AM

    Mr. Lawyer Man, aka shorty3, now is the time for me to post my heartbreaking message.  When illegals are given a free pass to just disappear into our country, with little concern shown them, why pray tell, at the same time, is someone such as my son treated with such ultimate discrimination by his own government?  Nothing at all is known about the backgrounds of those illegals who have hidden so covertly among us, but yet they are not given prudent judicial scrutiny?  Alas, while at the same time my son who committed a crime here, when he was barely 16, will have that felony following him to his grave!  Ten years ago, when he allowed himself to be stupidly used as a man’s puppet, NC was only one of three states who treats 16 year olds as adults by the criminal justice system.  Since that time, Connecticut, one of the three, has wisely raised that age.  Now, only New York and North Carolina remain true to that preposterous stance.  Had we not moved from our home state of Virginia when he was thirteen, away from all close, supportive connections, and he had committed the crime there instead of in North Carolina, he would have been fairly treated as a juvenile, and would not be saddled with the permanent felony record that will now, unfairly, follow him to his grave.  Truthfully, had our family been able to stay in Virginia, surrounded by loved ones, he probably would not have committed such a crime in the first place!  As a sixteen year old , he was irresponsible and unthinking at times, as are ALL children.  Since he got into trouble with the law, he has made restitution to society by spending the mandated time at Impact East, a boot camp in Southern Pines, NC, where he repented and turned his life around, walking away from unhealthy associations, for he now knows that one becomes like the company one keeps.  His aim is to keep company with those who help direct him towards living responsibly, and productively, with integrity.  While at court-ordered boot camp, he learned discipline, a strong work ethic, respect for authority, as well as earning his GED.  He would appreciate being treated as the responsible, caring man he has become, instead of as the stupid sixteen year old he was when he briefly and foolishly lapsed into crime.  As much as anyone else who has gone astray, he deserves a second chance at a normal life, free of the hindrance of a decade-ago felony record holding him back, being afforded the opportunity to prove himself mature, capable and honest.  Society expects him to be successful, but how can he be if he continues to be discriminated against, and not extended a cup of kindness in the form of a second chance? 

    In North Carolina, a bill was introduced last spring to raise the age a teen can be charged as an adult to 18. That measure in the bill was rejected, but lawmakers established a task force to study the proposal with a deadline of 2011, so there’s hope.  The policy changes in Connecticut occurred largely because of a growing body of brain research distinguishing the adolescent and adult minds.  Up until the last decade, since my son got into trouble, scientific research on the adolescent brain was largely nonexistent. Led by professor Laurence Steinberg of Temple University and others in the psychology field, their research explained why juveniles lack control and understanding of long-term consequences and are more susceptible to peer pressure.  “The teenage brain is like a car with a good accelerator but a weak brake,” Steinberg wrote. “With powerful impulses under poor control, the likely result is a crash.”  My son just graduated in second place from the Harvard of truck driving schools, the oldest and best in the entire world, where he displayed the best truck-driving skills in his entire class.  However, he is having difficulty obtaining gainful employment due to…..you guessed it….. his unfortunate past as a child!  He is in desperate need of a second chance at a normal life, one where he is no longer discriminated against.  Is anyone in North Carolina willing to help my son?  If not, I will definitely ring up illustrious Jay Sekulow from the American Center for Law and Justice!

    Grace and peace to you!

  • 150
    07/16 09:43 AM

    Whoa, Ms. Allen.  Let me see if I understand. Your son committed a felony when he was 16 (which, you claim, was potentially caused due to an adolescent mind, and may not have occured if you had never moved from Virginia) and he was somehow discrimanated against by North Carolina because the state applied their established punishment to him for breaking their law. Now, because your son can’t fight his felony past, of which he is actually guilty of, you are upset that illegal immigrants aren’t arrested, despite the potential for the AZ law to incur real discrimination against legal US citizens.
    I hope your son finds employment, and it’s good to hear that he’s learned from his mistake, but I don’t see how your son’s situation is at all relevant to the AZ debate.

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    07/16 10:20 AM

    Let me see if I have this right, 150.  You are incapable of engaging your brain to think for yourself, and opening your heart with compassion for those less fortunate?

  • Ginny Bain Allen
    07/27 09:05 AM

    No provision of the U. S. Constitution is being violated by Arizona’s immigration policy. If people can’t appropriately defend their borders ... their jobs ... their lives - from drug wars, violence, kidnapping, and people illegally entering the country - what next? This is not just an Arizona issue. If the Arizona law is struck down, our freedom to defend ourselves will be in jeopardy.  More and more states could soon come under attack as well.

    Btw, do you realize that Phoenix is the number 2 kidnapping capital of the entire world???  Mexico City is number 1!

  • ct
    07/27 09:37 AM

    Several candidates in the Triangle have already run for election on a defend-the-border platform. All lost. The majority of voters are not fearful when it comes to this subject.

    As for the Phoenix situation, it’s true that drug dealers have created a form of open warfare there. But ABC News has never provided any substantiation of its claim, and the claim has been widely criticized. See http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jun/18/david-dewhurst/dewhurst-says-phoenix-has-more-kidnappings-any-oth/

  • ALL41
    08/25 05:39 PM

    STOP PICKING ON THE ILLEGALS. ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS COME HERE AND EAT WHAT WE EAT TO GROW UP TO BE BIG BOYS AND GIRLS.

  • tangie+
    10/27 11:25 AM

    if it wasnt for us hispanics the united states would crash. whos qoing to do all the work that most lazy americans dont like to do. hispanics have a right to be here. Americans would see that without hispanics the economy here in the us is going to get worser

  • cew096
    12/11 03:01 PM

    @tangie
    It’s not about Hispanics, It’s about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. They are illegal, and taking our jobs. I could care less if a legal immigrant want’s to work at the crappiest job. More power to them. But when some person wants to come in, and steal our money, I have a problem.
    You people are clueless. Our country is going down the tubes and all you people care about are the “Poor, innocent, hard working” people who are the cause of it. Our country was not founded on illegal immigration. It was founded on the freedom to pursue happiness. And those rights are reserved for those who have the courage and the morals to come through the front door and follow the rigorous process. I am not denying that it is not easy to become a citizen It is a lot of money, and time. But if that’s what it takes than do it! If you want to be a true American come in and go through the same process every other immigrant has gone through. What makes them special enough to come in through the back door, and think they can then steal our jobs?
    As we provide a place for those illegal immigrants, they don’t even take alligence to our country, our laws, and our freedoms. They aren’t Americans if they still pledge aligence to their own countries.

  • shorty3
    12/11 03:38 PM

    Wow, Cew096, that is seriously the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read.
    1) there is NO WAY for the vast majority of undocumented immigrants to become citizens.  It’s not about paying money or waiting a long time.  Most of them have NO ROUTE to citizenship in the system as it’s set up now.  The system only allows people to come in for 3 reasons:  1) work-sponsored visa, almost exclusively reserved for high-level professions like software engineers, executives, etc., 2) family-sponsored visa, not available if you’re not related to anyone in the United States, and 3) political asylum/refugee status - very difficult to achieve, and not granted just because you’re “poor.”  U.S. sure as hell doesn’t grant this status to anyone from Mexico.  So, basically, if you’re not a highly-educated worker, a family member of someone in the U.S., or a victim of political persecution:  YOU’RE NOT GETTING IN.  PERIOD.  If you just want to come over and work hard, contribute, and raise your family here, but you don’t have one of the above routes, you’re not getting in.
    You can agree or disagree with the POLICY, for sure, but you can’t say, “people should just come legally” when there is simply no route for most people to do so.  I’m sick of drivel like this going out there unchallenged.
    Finally, the reason our country was not “founded on illegal immigration” as you say, is that there were NO IMMIGRATION LAWS UNTIL 1882.  So, if your ancestors came before that time, and they were white, they automatically became citizens of the U.S.  No laws. Period.  it was easy.  In 1882, the first immigration law was passed, the “Chinese Exclusion Act” that barred Chinese from immigrating to the U.S. entirely (was not totally lifted for many decades).  A quota system for various countries (yes to white people, no to brown people) was largely instituted in 1924, and then our complex, confusing, and restrictive system grew and grew from there.  The harshest laws were put into place in 1996, which have essentially foreclosed the routes to legal status for most ordinary people.  If you’re going to opine on this topic, please read some history and understand how the laws work.  If you don’t understand how it works, then stop spouting ignorant platitudes about how people “should” do things, and how your ancestors are so much better than the immigrants of today.

  • Jon Williams
    12/11 03:55 PM

    shorty3, ordinarily I’d say “don’t feed the trolls,” but that was the most informative handful of sentences on the history of US immigration policy *I*have*ever*seen*. Must’ve learned at least three new things in two minutes. Thanks!

  • ct
    12/11 04:03 PM

    It starts with the premise that “our country is going down the tubes” and then there’s the question of whom to blame—Mexicans, China, anyone and everyone… except ourselves.

    #1, I don’t believe the USA is going down the tubes. Things change, and things go up and down in cycles, and some people are better positioned than others. But relax, the country isn’t folding.

    #2, Every first-world nation—not just the USA—has a problem filling low-paying jobs. England, Switzerland, Australia… it’s the same story everywhere. If we did close our borders, there would be an enormous spike of inflation—the minimum wage would have to go to $10 or $12 per hour to get Americans to take those jobs. Is that what people want?

    #3, A primary reason we have an economic problem is because the federal government overspends. It overspends in defense, it overspends in welfare (including middle-class welfare like Social Security), it overspends in nearly everything. Obviously taxes will not be raised to cover the gap, so the only course of action is to cut federal spending. A lot.

  • shorty3
    12/11 04:26 PM

    @jon.  Thank you.  I am engaged in a never-ending and probably hopeless battle to insert facts into the immigration debate.

  • Ginny
    12/13 12:54 PM

    @Jon, you’ve got to be kidding me?  (Hear exemplary Tony Dungy’s voice while reading this question with the proper emphasis on got.)  Trolls?  Those of us with differing views than yours have as much right to be here as you do!  Debate is a necessary and good thing.  Calling someone a derogatory name displays your intolerance, bigotry and hatefulness.

    @shorty3 and all other unthinking progressives:

    My good friends from South Korea had lived in my hometown in VA for a few years when, out of the blue, their exemplary family was sent packing back home.  They were a huge asset who gave to us, unlike many illegals who only take by:  driving drunk without permits, murdering our citizens, stealing our jobs, sending our hospitals into bankruptcy, filling our prisons requiring our tax dollars to pay for them, bringing diseases that had been eradicated back into our society, dishonoring our females, requiring our tax dollars to tutor their children because they refuse to learn the language of our country, etc.!  They are filling our society with their debauchery and depravity, and you progressives find this acceptable???  How will you feel when your daughter is raped then decapitated, cast aside as garbage due to illegal drugs???

    Good day

  • Ginny Limbaugh
    12/13 01:13 PM

    I will feel terrible when the immigrants rape and decapitate my daughter, thank you.

  • Jon Williams
    12/13 01:13 PM

    @Ginny, fair enough: “troll” was somewhat harsh. But then I’m one of the few people here willing to post my name and take any actual responsibility my posts. If, however, you’re going to give me grief for my ad hominem, you might want to think twice about doing exactly that to shorty3 in your very next sentence. (“Unthinking”? f’reals?)

    You go on to provide a litany of vile behaviors which you attribute to illegal immigrants. I’m sure there’s a wealth of headlines providing the anecdotal evidence to support the small-t-truth of them. Tell me: does your extensive research provide proof that legal US citizens are less likely to engage in these despicable acts? Please cite your source(s) if so.

  • Jon Williams
    12/13 01:48 PM

    I was curious and found this:
    http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000783
    According to this, 27% of Federal prisoners are illegals. Wow. That *is* kinda fucked. Surely we could kill two birds with one stone and “outsource” their incarceration to Mexico?

    Of course, just over half are for drug offenses—as if there wasn’t already reason enough to reform US drug policy…

    Now on to the math: There are 210,000 federal prisoners. 11 million estimated illegals in the US. Total US population 310 million. So .27 x 210k / 11m = 0.5% of illegal aliens are incarcerated vs (1-.27) x 210k / 310m = .05% of US citizens.  So it SOUNDS like illegals are 10x more likely to be involved in (other) illegal behavior.

    BUT, if you’re a convicted illegal, you’re held by the feds. Citizens might be held by the feds, state, or locals. Crunching those numbers, 2 million total inmates (?!) per 310m citizens = 0.6% of the legal population.

    I’m going to call that basically a tie. Your mileage may vary.

  • Jon Williams
    12/13 02:08 PM

    And this: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/NIFCJS.PDF found that (in 1994 at least) “1.4% of noncitizens prosecuted in Federal court were charged with a VIOLENT crime compared with 8.5% of citizens.” (emphasis mine)

    The asshole who rapes and decapitates your daughter is more likely a bona fide legal (or, in your case, I’m guessing, a total figment of your imagination).

    I’ve shown you mine—now, show me yours.

  • Mexican Rapist Decapitator
    12/13 02:27 PM

    Hola!

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