Jedidiah Tuesday, November 13, 2007

Development

Pardon Me for Reading

Marketing.  In most cases it is important to selling a product.  Marketing can determine a product’s success or predict its downfall.  After flipping through the most recent edition of The Downtowner, the following advertisment was found on the back cover.  The ad is for the condo building under construction just east of Glenwood South, West at North.  New Raleigh did not add the phrases “killer views”, “white picket fences”, and “bed, bath, and whatever” for impact.  This is the exact paragraph and full marketing ad that appears on the back cover.

Disclaimer:  Read this with a circa-1985 Los Angeles Valley accent at your own risk.

There is no 3-bedroom ranch and patch of grass on a cul-de-sac for me.  I don’t do white picket fences, mini-vans or Bed, Bath and Whatever.  I have no illusions of suburban grandeur and no way I’m going to live like my parents.

Instead, I have a life.  My life.  And I want to live where I live - restaurants, clubs, friends, nightlife - hanging out in Glenwood South.  And my condo at West puts me right in the heart of everything I want to do, right in the middle of the action. 

Don’t get me wrong; I still enjoy the finer things, like the killer views from high above the downtown scene and a rooftop pool that is like my own private VIP room.  It’s just that with a whole city at my front door, my life is on my terms.  So, pardon me for living.

On the positive side, the ad is promoting urban living and attempts to downplay suburbia as a passé form of living.  But, is this the type of marketing needed to get people to live in Downtown Raleigh?  It is not very well written and sounds like the first person of someone who watched too much Saved by the Bell as a child.  It also reads like it is coaxing clients into a certain lifestyle that only revolves only around Glenwood South and not downtown as a whole.  This is simply another version of suburbia.  It’s called sectionalism or separatism.  Glenwood South has become the castle and soon there will be a massive moat surrounding the area.  Be prepared for a drawbridge beside Snoopy’s. 

So, pardon me for reading, but downtown living is more than spending your life on one particular street and looking at the tall buildings 8 blocks away from your high end condo.  Downtown Raleigh consists of a mixed bag that involves City Market, the Warehouse District, the Government Complex, Historic Oakwood, and many other eclectic areas.  The overlap is necessary.  The “middle of the action” may be Glenwood South for some (or many), but it is not for all. 

Condo buildings built in downtown must look to add to downtown as a whole and not to only certain sectors.  So again, pardon me for reading but the marketing for these buildings should be inclusive, not exclusive.  If not, “Bed, Bath and Whatever” will show up next door and those “killer views” will be obstructed by cultural boundaries that will be reminiscent of the “white picket fences” that have littered Pleasantville and your average suburb since the 1950s. 




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  • Tim11/13 04:08 PM

    ouch.  very painful. 

    it will be interesting to see how fast or slow all of these new condos coming on the market in downtown raleigh will sell. 

    they say timing is everything (and location and marketing)...but i sure don’t envy the developers who started these projects during the good old days of the real-estate market.

  • 15011/13 04:41 PM

    I’m quickly losing touch with this blog.

    The advertisement doesn’t do a bad job of summing up why I live downtown (albeit not in a condo).  Most of my friends chose to go the house route out in North Raleigh.  Do I want the things they chose, which includes the fences, mini-vans, and the lame trips to Bed, Bath, and Beyond?  Not at this point.  Is the advertisement well written?  Maybe not, but it reminds me of an ad I’d see while waiting for the subway in a place like DC or Boston.  Those places have young, urban people, who would enjoy things like living near Glenwood. I think this advertisement is on target in trying to reach their audience. 

    I also disagree with the assessment that this article is all about Glenwood South, at the expense of the rest of Downtown Raleigh.  I read it simply as saying that the West puts you in the center of things, which includes Glenwood South. 

    I just read this differently than you do, Jedidah, so take it for what it’s worth.  I will say, however, that my first reaction to your review is that it’s loaded with anti-Glenwood sentiment, and I’m not sure why. Are there other cool places in DTR?  Of course, but the whole sectionalism/sepratism and drawbridge stuff sounds like it’s from the high school kid who is mad that he doesn’t sit at the cool lunch table.  I’m sure that’s not what you intended, but that’s how it sounds. 

    I just don’t think the ad is that horrible.

  • Beth11/13 05:12 PM

    I have noticed this ad a few times and each time I shudder a little bit. I love downtown, but I don’t love “snide.“ The ad feels like it’s trying too hard to be hip. And everybody knows when you try to hard, you are the opposite of hip. And, it can’t be… but are those stock photos in the ad?? If so, I guess there’s nobody cool enough in Raleigh to live here…

  • S. Beaumont11/13 05:27 PM

    If the copywriter was basing his words on the young, ethnically diverse, cooler-than-life people in the ad—I’d say he nailed it.

    Not my type, but neither is the West.

  • Betsy11/13 05:29 PM

    What you have in the US today is several generations of people who know nothing but the suburbs—who have never experienced urban life, except on a vacation trip, perhaps, to a major city.  This is particularly true in the Sun Belt. 

    So the marketing for the project must not only market the condos, but also to an extent define the “urban lifestyle alternative” and actually familiarize the audience with it.

    Hence the ham-handedness of the script:  This is DIFFERENT from the burbs!  This is, like, WAY more desirable than the burbs!

  • Dana11/13 05:40 PM

    They’ve been running an audio version of this ad for, what, 6 months now?

    I like Bed, Bath, and Beyond. They have the best general selection of kitchen items around.

    While the ad is nothing like what I would have written, it is nice to hear/see a marketing campaign for an ownership opportunity aimed at a group outside of the wealthy and retired sector.

  • RaleighRob11/13 05:44 PM

    The overall text of the ad is not that bad really.  I agree in addition to mentioning Glenwood South, they could have said something about downtown living in general, but that’s a minor point. 

    Seems like for most folks, the worst part of the ad is that cheesy “Pardon Me for Living” line.  I don’t think anyone is gonna think that’s “cool”.  Fortunately, there’s another version of the ad which instead stresses the line: “Live where you Live”.  Which as a tagline, is quite clever actually.

    Only other point I would make is the young-looking people in the ad.  I personally don’t know hardly anyone under 40 who can afford the ridiculously high prices that these condos are currently priced at.  (Or is it just me??)

  • Vince11/13 06:28 PM

    As long as you could afford to live anywhere, you can.  Depending on how badly you want the nightlife at your fingertips is the concern.  Personally, I wouldn’t be fond of living someone where I can potentially hear the loud audible/inaudible dialogue every night at 2am. 

    I like RaleighRob’s point about the prices of these luxury living dwellments*.  I know that I can not afford something like this at the moement.  Also, there are costs like insurance that most people should consider when moving somewhere.

    I’m glad that CharGrill will be on my side of the moat.

    * dwellment (n.) - an area of living where the advancement of cultural and practical uses may vary, depending on the inhabitant.

  • 15011/13 06:38 PM

    Vince, you’ve got it.  The people who will want to live at West will be interested in the nightlife and the 2am noise.  The marketing is targeting them, and rightly so.  “Pardon Me for Living”, while cheesy, does express the target audience’s attitude, which is: Being in your N. Raleigh house at 11pm on Saturday night isn’t living, it’s lame. 

    By the way, I also live on the other side of the moat, and love it, although I enjoy what Glenwood offers.

  • erin11/13 06:54 PM

    i’d never live in a tower in raleigh but i DO like living within eyesight of them.  and that ad is convincing me that i’m making the right choice.

    i appreciate your list of other fun/happening places in DTR that compete with Glenwood:  chillaxing in the government complex is supreme.

    (jk)

  • Vince11/13 06:59 PM

    150,  I live in an apartment on Hillsborough Street and work at a bar on Saturday (and some Friday) nights, which is why I must take my nightlife in doses.

    I’m just concerned about establishments that sell the idea of nightlife as if there are no consequences, which is the impression I am getting due to the attitude projected through their marketing campaign.  I’m not inviting others to judge as I have, I just wanted to put the idea in one or two heads who may be reading this thread and considering the high-life.  Thanks

  • 15011/13 07:12 PM

    I don’t blame you, Vince, and I’m with you.  I live near the Bloomsbury, which is a pretty quiet area right now.  I get my nightlife in doses, too. 

    I just think the ad is ok for the target audience.  I agree with you that the ads don’t mention the consequences, but I guess I’m of the “buyer beware” stance.  The West’s job is to sell the units.  If people buy them, it’s a choice the buyers are making.

  • S. Beaumont11/13 08:31 PM

    “Being in your N. Raleigh house at 11pm on Saturday night isn’t living, it’s lame.“

    My festive Christmas sweater isn’t going to knit itself.

  • Kurt Schlatzer11/13 09:47 PM

    Pardon me for not having a trust fund fueled, lavish, care-free and trendy lifestyle. All these pricey condos will make great public housing when the economy inevitably tanks.

  • Chuck Samuels11/15 01:57 PM

    I’m with Kurt. I think developments like this and the ads for them are really funny, but maybe it’s because I’ve been living in Raleigh/Durham for 20 years now. I find it so hard to see Raleigh as a hip, trendy, urban locale. “Killer views” of WHAT?? Garner? This is RALEIGH-freaking-North Carolina. It’s not New York or LA, try as they might to make it like that. I’d like to see this area grow in a way that takes advantage of ALL that is so unique about life in NC. You don’t need to turn your nose up at anybody to do that.

  • Lisa B11/15 07:02 PM

    I think the ad wasn’t trying to be that serious, but being a little tongue in cheek. I think it’s sad that too many people take everything so seriously instead of seeing the humorous side of things. From the ads and what I’ve seen elsewhere,  the condos look pretty nice.

  • Prolly11/15 07:22 PM

    I did a write-up for a recent ad that a developer used in a “luxury loft” building in my area of Brooklyn.

    This, in their opinion, is the ultimate “killer view” you’ll get with your new loft.

    http://mishkanyc.com/bloglin/2007/10/04/wide-open-views/

  • slapstick11/15 07:41 PM

    That ad my friends, is “tongue in cheek” and “reminds me of an ad I’d see while waiting for the subway in a place like DC or Boston.“

  • FullMoonRising11/16 01:26 PM

    You people hate everything on this website.

    It makes me laugh and sometimes ary a little on the inside.

  • Deb11/16 01:38 PM

    I think the biggest problem with this ad is that it is perfect for the target market – young professionals in their 20’s and 30’s. Unfortunately, somehow in the fray, the marketing folks failed to understand that their target market is the wrong market for their product. I am part of that target market, and nobody I know can afford a condo at the West – 718 sqft starting at $229k? I live in Glenwood South and I love living there, but my apartment is bigger than the West’s least expensive condo, and costs me a lot less in rent for the same lifestyle without the ‘luxury’ veneer!

    It is interesting to look at the 222 Glenwood advertising in comparison. The people in their ads seem to be in a market segment that might be more likely to afford a condo there. However, they appear to be a bit older, and maybe even more likely to have a family or be retired. But does the location of 222 fit their market? Being located right in the thick of Glenwood nightlife, will the 2:00 am revelry others have mentioned appeal to this segment? To me, this market belongs more at the West location, and vice versa (prices not considered, of course). Don’t get me wrong, both projects are in great locations, but am I missing the visions of these projects’ marketing departments in developing their marketing strategies? To me, something just doesn’t compute.

  • Chuck Samuels11/16 02:57 PM

    FullMoon said:

    “You people hate everything on this website.“

    I know. It can seem that way, huh? I think that a lot of people don’t write or respond to posts on blogs unless something makes them mad….and then, you know what the result will be.

    Maybe we can start writing when we agree…..

  • 15011/16 04:14 PM

    Deb, I agree with your assessment.  Well said.

  • David11/16 05:16 PM

    As a twenty something that could potentially afford one of these condos I just can’t take the ad seriously.  Many RTP jobs are paying young folk very well.  The ad, while it may be targeted to a younger audience- fails miserably.  Generation Y, especially those making that kind of money,  sees right through marketing like this.  The best ads show rather than tell and I feel the advertising agency or Realtor that dreamed this up doesn’t have a clue about effective marketing for their target.

  • Betsy11/16 05:52 PM

    I’m with David.

    And I’d also like to see that the concept of urbanity in our city goes beyond drinking, clubbing 20-30-somethings. 

    For those of us viewing the pleasures of the city through the sweet haze of midlife, yobbism is no antidote to suburban malaise.

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