Raleigh Officially Runs its Own Food Trucks Out of Town

Raleigh Officially Runs its Own Food Trucks Out of Town

September, 01, 2011 , by Jedidiah

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The saga that has lasted for over a year continues to get worse and the City of Raleigh seems completely set on doing everything it can to make sure that food trucks operate nowhere near where civilization gathers on a regular basis.

The latest drama comes as the Food Trucks agenda went to the Law and Safety Committee on Tuesday, August 30th. The meeting was a heated debate between Council Members Mary Ann Baldwin, who tried to find a few compromises in the new guidelines, and John Odom and Eugene Weeks, who both fiercely opposed any form of compromise on the issue. Before the meeting, the new agenda was released (see it here - automatic download of PDF) with new regulations on food trucks, many of which added more limitations to the previous rules set forth in the earlier City Council meetings.

The Raleigh City Council has convened many times over the past year and a half hearing the thoughts of “concerned citizens”, business owners in downtown and the food truck operators themselves. Over this time frame, the restrictions in the regulations have far outweighed the compromises. As it currently sits, food trucks would not be able to operate on the streets of downtown without the cooperation of a business to lend them a parking space (more on that in a bit).

One of the new (and largest) regulations, comes in the form of what time food trucks would be able to operate in Raleigh. The new law states that food trucks would only be able to serve food until 1am, rather than the 3am time that is currently set for hot dog carts. As many night-owls (which downtown and Glenwood South are full of) know, this is the prime time for a late night snack and spells dollar signs for street vendors. Go to any metropolis in our country and you’ll see small food shops and street vendors with lines down the block after 1am. Note: restaurants are allowed to open all night long if they want. This issue was heavily debated at Tuesday’s meeting and ended with, like the entire agenda, without resolution. Council Member Weeks opposed this regulation and gave no reason or justification as to why food trucks should close at 1am, rather than the original 3am time frame. The only reason listed in the agenda is to deter gathering crowds near residential buildings. Go outside at 2am on a weekend. Drunk crowds gather without food trucks and are loud, regardless.

The second big issue that has popped up recently is the assignment of parking spaces for food trucks in Raleigh. For a food truck to serve food on private property, the business must apply for a zoning permit for the truck to be on their property. This permit takes about ten days, which to some of the council members wasn't enough time as well. Within the permit process, this private company must show that they have a specific parking space in mind for the food truck. This parking space MUST be paved and not dirt, gravel or grass (although gravel is a possibility in the future). After the permit is acquired, the company must then paint the space and designate it for the food truck.

There’s more. This parking space must be in a secondary parking space and not a primary one for the business. Some business, such as Ornamentea (which was brought up in the meeting) has only primary parking spaces, so it’s possible that this small business couldn’t get the permit because they didn’t have enough parking spaces in their TINY parking lot. 

The trucks can only operate in these private lots during the hours of the business with the permit. Also, the owner of the building is the one that must apply for the permit. That means, someone leasing the building cannot apply for the permit and the owner must be present and have his/her name on the permit. Then, if the permit is secured and a restaurant pops up within 100 feet of the business at any time afterwards, they go back to square one and the food truck can no longer operate in that location. There’s no grandfather clause. The food trucks will always be on edge as to whether this one location they did secure will be there permanently. 

We'll continue with the regulations. Food trucks cannot put folding sign boards on the street to advertise their business. Yep, that simple sign board you see up on the photo of Klausie's truck above is restricted. They cannot have any outdoor seating for customers. They cannot have any amplification of any kind. There can be no more than 3 food trucks period on a lot (despite the size of the lot), unless there’s a temporary planning permit. But, this temporary planning permit only allows for four weekends per year for the food trucks to operate. And then, from what we can find out, these weekends must be consecutive rather than spread out through the year. You see, Raleigh is doing their best to literally run these small Raleigh-based businesses out of Raleigh.

I talked with Mike Stenke of Klausie’s Pizza and Lucas Kinnan of Localmotive, both Raleigh based food trucks, who have decided to take their business to Durham. It’s a shame that there are progressive, small ventures such as these that have to pack up, drive twenty miles west, use gas, sit in traffic and occasionally break down just to serve hungry people a slice of pizza or hamburger from a health-inspected truck with a proper permit.

Special events get around all of this, but as Stenke mentioned to me earlier this week “working only special events, doesn’t pay the bills.” He’s right. These food trucks can’t rely on one-off events to gather enough people for them to make their money. And, of course, regulations are needed and laws need to be in place, but the City of Raleigh has gone so far in the past year that even if the law passes at next week’s meeting (or whatever meeting it gets pushed to next), we won’t see any trucks willing to try and check off everything to make their businesses work.

Somehow, the “progressive city” that we live in, doesn’t see the fact that these small businesses will only help bring more people to the streets of Raleigh spending money in multiple places. If the trucks were in downtown, I can promise you that 75% of the people purchasing food from them also spent money at a nearby bar or business. Push them out into the suburbs into a random parking lot and you won’t get them spending money anywhere else nearby, except maybe at Big Lots.

On the business front. It seems as though there are some corporate interests intertwined with the council members’ votes. McDonald’s came up a few times during the meeting and Odom stated that he had a relationship and must protect certain business in his district. For the record, Klausie’s Pizza is based out of Odom's district. Touché. Thomas Crowder, a mostly progressive council member has stated some things about wallets getting stolen at food truck rodeos and that our kids would be woke up by the sound of a generator outside of a house. In that case, let’s get motorcycles, buses and other macho-mobiles off of the road past 10pm. City council can do that, right? There have been other allegations about money being involved within this story and campaigns but we won’t dig into any of that just yet.

As previously mentioned, Mary Ann Baldwin asked for multiple compromises on these issues, including a six month trial process, which was quickly shot down. The sad part of this is that the Law & Public Safety Committee was supposed to make suggestions for the council’s next meeting, hopefully coming to a compromise about what we should do about the issue. Unfortunately, for reasons that seem to be quite abstract, two members of this committee have decided to stall the process once again. We know that there are a few council members that should be (based on their record) voting yes for food trucks, including mayoral candidate Nancy McFarlane, Bonner Gaylord, possibly Russ Stephenson and hopefully some others. Here is also a list of local restaurants who have publicly come out against the food trucks.

Lucas Kinnan has lived in Raleigh all of his life. He has spent the last year preparing his truck, Localmotive, for the streets of Raleigh. Kinnan and Stenke both represent small businesses, with families to feed, money to make and ideas they thought would make that happen. Kinnan thought that his truck, along with the many others that had starting popping up in the past year, would “provide so much life, energy and great, affordable food choices for the people that call Raleigh home.” There have been hundreds of emails to city council members but somehow these have been ignored and the ears of the politicians have been peaked by McDonald’s and a few other loud restaurant owners in the area. Kinnan commends Baldwin on her “logic and reason throughout this heated debate.” We need more of that in this debate. Logic and reason would have got us so much further than signboards, grass lots and a 1am curfew time over the past year.

Stenke already drives to Durham on a daily basis and has broke down several times over the past few months, trying to hussle back and forth from Durham to the special events (the only way he can work his hometown) here in Raleigh. With these new regulations, he sees himself out of a job in the Raleigh area and plans on concentrating mostly in the Durham area where the food truck scene is thriving. Think about Only Burger and how that truck has done well enough to set up a retail spot in Durham. The same could happen to any of these trucks if they were given a chance to succeed in their truck first.  

What about Lucas Kinnan and his truck that was beautifully painted by Raleigh artist Adam Peele? “Hopefully, Raleigh will see the light sooner than later but for now, we’re taking our talents to the Bull City” Kinnan said. Raleigh, a city that has been known in the past few years of recruiting and gaining talents, is starting to lose some of these talents on an issue that would give Downtown Raleigh that extra edge to keep it ahead of the curve.

The City Council meets next Tuesday to talk more about this issue. Even if the majority of the council members vote yes, the amount of regulations on this bill has already scared away enough local trucks that it's not likely to make a difference. We at New Raleigh have been huge supporters of food trucks over this past year and while we will still give our business to every truck possible and have them at our "special events", we see this as the end of a long road that we had hoped would end much better.

Email the City Council Members and let them know how you feel about the food truck issue before Tuesday's meeting.

Mayor: Charles Meeker | email: charles.meeker@raleighnc.gov

District A: Nancy McFarlane (Mayor Pro Tempore)| email: nancy.mcfarlane@raleighnc.gov

District B: John Odom | email: john.odom@raleighnc.gov

District C: Eugene Weeks | email: eugene.weeks@raleighnc.gov

District D: Thomas Crowder | email: thomas.crowder@raleighnc.gov

District E: Bonner Gaylord | email: bonner.gaylord@raleighnc.gov

At-Large: Mary-Ann Baldwin | email: mary-ann.baldwin@raleighnc.gov

At-Large: Russ Stephenson | email: russ.stephenson@raleighnc.gov

Email the entire City Council, including the mayor, at citycouncilors@raleighnc.gov








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  • mark
    09/01 10:32 PM

    What’s up with Kinnan and the Locomotive truck? I’ve been reading about it for almost 6 months now and see him at all the food truck council meetings, but as far as I can tell he never operates his truck Anywhere. Not Durham, Raleigh, or anywhere else. Only time I saw it in operation was at a Jimmy Buffet concert making burgers - not brunch. Even if you can’t operate in Raleigh it seems like he would do some “dry runs” in places where it is allowed or at least participate in some of the Raleigh special events that have food trucks. Seems odd.

  • Dave
    09/01 10:42 PM

    Sounds like NC are a bunch of clueless Rednecks.  Go to Cali or Austin, you’ll see a ton of food trucks because they are part of the culture and the food is the bomb…some of the best home cooked authentic grub you’ll taste in many cases.

    In fact even the Food channel has had some episodes on some good food trucks.

    NC, get a freakin clue and stop living under a rock.  You only know your little hick town, that’s pathetic.

  • nutellaisevil
    09/01 10:49 PM

    I hate that this issue has become so divisive for our Raleigh friends. Living in Durham, we support both food trucks and brick and mortar restaurants with our money and fail to see how one diminishes the other. I’m sure this is an obvious point, but I wonder if anyone in Raleigh’s city government has spoken with Durham city officials to see how they deal with this issue? It just doesn’t seem to be an issue at all over here. I wish y’all could enjoy the same bounty of deliciousness we do, but until that happens, come eat over here anytime!

  • localbloated
    09/01 10:55 PM

    Pity the poor food truck owners.  They built their trucks in a city that doesn’t allow them, their entire lobbying effort consists of whining and then they whine some more when they can’t get their way.  They are completely unorganized and, judging from reading Mr. Klausie’s facebook page, completely ignorant about most laws governing, for lack of a better word, “stationary” restaurants.  With just the tiniest bit of planning and organization we could have food trucks, food truck rodeos and all kinds of neat stuff.  Unfortunately, it seems like the same lack of planning that keeps these folks from recognizing their dream of getting a loan and a “real” restaurant keeps them from being able to construct a simple argument that doesn’t come off like a toddler on a tantrum.

  • Andy W.
    09/01 11:06 PM

    I think what this basically boils down to is the 43rd largest city in the US is not ready for prime time.  There are people here that think we are still small town and they can’t get over the fact that it just isn’t the way it is anymore.

    This frustrates the ever living hell out of me.  It’s obvious to see that the people in power have no clue as to how their city actually functions.  Crowder’s argument about “The children” is quite ridiculous and as stated in the article, why would a food truck go to a neighborhood anyway?  There is no money to be made there.  I am sure someone from north Raleigh told their city council representative that they can’t understand why anyone in the world would be up until 3am because we are all in bed by then, so why does a food truck need to operate until then?  Hmm…maybe because bars let out at 2am and people are hungry.  Would you rather have someone with a couple of drinks in them getting food and sobering up before getting in a car or would you like them getting in a car fresh off that same amount of drinks? I think there is an obvious correct answer there…and a great reason to stay open until 3am.

    Wallets getting stolen at a food truck rodeo? Grow up.  Next you’ll be banning college football or concerts for the same reason.

    I could go on and on, but basically the logic of the people against this fails me at every point.  I give props to Raleigh for driving off small businesses and killing jobs for people at a time when we need both.  Kudos for making me go to another city to spend money not only at the food truck, but at the brick and mortar bars that surround them when we also need that money to stay local.  Good job indeed!

    Time go put on the big boy pants, Raleigh and grow up!

  • Jeebus
    09/02 12:11 AM

    Down with local business! Yay!

  • tuff jew
    09/02 05:39 AM

    If a restaurant is worried that food served from a truck will threaten it’s business, they should probably step up the quality of the food that they serve.  Sure, people just love free markets, just so long as they can keep their boot on the neck of the competition.

  • Diego
    09/02 07:42 AM

    In a word: Pathetic. I smell corruption.

    On the positive side, Durham welcomes foodtrepreneurs with open arms. Come to the bull all ye foodies!

  • Rob
    09/02 09:01 AM

    I understand wanting to see Raleigh grow and become a more progressive city.  Its a cool canvas to work with. But the lack of anything a larger, more developed city has is constantly a problem for Raleigh.  I mean these are food trucks.  We talking ’ bout food trucks….food trucks.  City council seems content to leave Raleigh the comfortable, culture deprived good old boys club its been for a long time.  You can stick it out and be excited about getting food trucks or move and be happy now.

  • Murple
    09/02 09:09 AM

    Has the City Council looked at the Durham rules at all? Seems to be working fine over there…

  • JT
    09/02 09:21 AM

    Raleigh is a small, but growing town.  I’ve been here for 12 years and I’m ready to leave.  I have long since experienced everything it has to offer.  This further shows they don’t care about people starting out.  It’s no wonder Durham has a more vibrant startup community.

  • Joe
    09/02 09:26 AM

    “’m sure this is an obvious point, but I wonder if anyone in Raleigh’s city government has spoken with Durham city officials to see how they deal with this issue?”

    Comparing Raleigh to Durham is laughable.  Durham has a virtually nonexistent economy, and massive amounts of vacancy in their very, very dead downtown.  A few restaurants/bars aimed at a few hundred hipsters living on the cheap in Durham doesn’t amount to much of anything.  If anything, I think that Durham is a shining example of how *not* to run a city.

    Raleigh has a thriving downtown, a growing economy, and a bright future.  Durham has been “rising” for at least 20 years now, with nothing to show for it.

  • JT
    09/02 09:37 AM

    ”  A few restaurants/bars aimed at a few hundred hipsters living on the cheap in Durham doesn’t amount to much of anything.”

    Yeah like Magnolia Grill and most of the foundations of the NC Food Movement.  Low rent cheap places….

  • Joe
    09/02 09:56 AM

    “Yeah like Magnolia Grill and most of the foundations of the NC Food Movement.  Low rent cheap places….”

    Durham has 262,000 people living in it.  It would take about 100 Magnolia Grills thriving to say that Durham is some kind of foodie paradise.  The *vast* majority of Durham is poor working class.

  • Joe
    09/02 10:04 AM

    Why do we need food trucks?

  • Rob
    09/02 10:09 AM

    They are awesome.  Unique food, good price, quick meal and they add to the social climate of a city.

    Beyond that though this problem is a microcosm of some larger issues with Raleigh becoming a ‘progressive’ city.

  • RogerTheGeek
    09/02 10:13 AM

    I don’t get the opposition. Food trucks should be welcomed in Raleigh as long as they are sanitary. They bring out people and the more people around brings more customers to all restaurants. You want me to come downtown? Want me to do something other than attend stuff at Memorial and Fletcher? Give me some reason other than the willingness to overpay for parking.

    Downtown restaurants are competing with those out where most of us live. That is the competition to the downtown restaurants, not food trucks. If anything, food trucks enhance the vibe downtown so more people go there.

    The comment on stepping up the quality of food at restaurants is a good one. We have gone to several city restaurants for the last time (ex. 42nd St.) The food is not up to par for the price and service is sometimes annoying. McDonald’s is targeted at children which food trucks are not. The other restaurants are not competing with food trucks since they are hyper expensive compared to the trucks. It is a different demographic. There is no problem here to debate. There has to be something else behind all the visceral opposition.

    Sometimes we forget how backward parts of our city are. Resolve this by voting in the next election.

  • Angela
    09/02 10:28 AM

    OK I accidentally clicked on “like” for facebook and cannot figure out how to change it. I absolutely DO NOT agree with this at all! Pushing small businesses out of our city is a bad idea! Seriously Raleigh? Get a clue!

  • KK
    09/02 10:33 AM

    Well at least now I’ll know who not to vote for come election time; the clowns on the council that are against startup businesses if they don’t meet their own preconceived notions.

  • Cenzo
    09/02 10:33 AM

    This is just so sad.  I definitely am not proud of my city today.  Are they so blind as to not see these trucks working successfully all over the country?  The Good ‘ole boys that we have elected have embarrassed themselves and are stifling the growth and sociability of Raleigh.

  • Dan
    09/02 10:49 AM

    Food trucks belong at carnivals not in the city.

  • Rob
    09/02 10:51 AM

    @Dan - You should run for Raleigh City Council.

  • Steve Atwater
    09/02 10:54 AM

    I know where I won’t be eating—and that’s places that openly don’t support the little guy. I don’t think the owner of Hibernian/Solas will be effected by some cupcake truck a half-mile down the road… especially for his crowd of dragon shirts and “cool” clients.

  • frank
    09/02 10:55 AM

    Nobody wants to say it at the city council meetings although the head of a CAC district summed it up: TACO TRUCKS.

    While they probably haven’t much of a problem with these high profile trucks, they’re in utter fear of Mexican food being sold to Mexicans in choice locations around the city. They don’t want Mexicans mingling after 1 a.m. cause they know there will be gunplay.

    I’m ticked that the City has it set up so that Klausie’s can’t park in front of the Big Boss Brewery until Spring of Next Year. There’s nothing around that parking lot to steal business from - but Raleigh can’t have that. Perhaps they fear the Taco Truck will also arrive and that means trouble.

  • L Boyd
    09/02 11:15 AM

    As a consumer I fully want food trucks as a dining option. However, I can certainly see how it is an issue with brick and mortar restaurant owners. But it really boils down, at its root, to a real estate issue. Raleigh is heavily controlled by the property owners all over town - especially ITB. Their rents are very high, compared to Durham, and restaurant owners pay these rents in hopes of volume - trucks eat into this volume, no getting around that.  Raleigh is booming right now but there have been quite a few restaurants go out of business downtown - even some solid ones. The rents are too damn high. If the rents would moderate, and I think they will eventually, restaurateurs might be able to survive on less volume giving consumers more options and a path toward food trucks being allowed.  The key difference b/w Raleigh and Durham, is the avg rent and number of restaurants trying to make it.

  • colin
    09/02 11:21 AM

    If you can’t keep up with a food truck, maybe your restaurant needs an overhaul. I’m looking at you, Diner. It’s obnoxious that you cover everything in cheese sauce, but at least you understand you’re only there to serve the drunk.

  • Joe
    09/02 11:30 AM

    “If the trucks were in downtown, I can promise you that 75% of the people purchasing food from them also spent money at a nearby bar or business”

    That’s pretty scientific.  A “promise” from “Jedediah”.  Wow.  I’m convinced.  “Jedediah” must be an astute small business owner to know this much about food trucks and their impact on nearby businesses.

  • sycamore
    09/02 11:36 AM

    Free markets.  Capitalism.  Democracy.

    How is our city council upholding these “American” tenets?  By essentially eliminating competition.  Want something for lunch that is fresh, fast, local, and under $10?  Good luck, hippie!

  • colin
    09/02 11:38 AM

    If you’re a small business owner, you didn’t pick that route because once your place opened you could finally sit back and rake in the money. Small business ownership defined requires you to analyze the competition and make moves to stay ahead of trouble. In this case, the changes required to keep a strangle hold on your business probably doesn’t require too much effort.

  • sycamore
    09/02 11:43 AM

    What it boils down to is whether you would have your council representative actually represent his or her constituency, or represent a few fearful restaurant and McDonalds owners.

  • Joe
    09/02 12:04 PM

    “What it boils down to is whether you would have your council representative actually represent his or her constituency, or represent a few fearful restaurant and McDonalds owners.”

    Who do you think pays more in taxes?

  • Michelle
    09/02 12:07 PM

    @Joe - Are you saying that you DON’T think that at LEAST 75% of the people who grab a bite to eat at a food truck didn’t spend money somewhere else downtown? (Most likely, a bar)

  • Joe
    09/02 12:23 PM

    “Are you saying that you DON’T think that at LEAST 75% of the people who grab a bite to eat at a food truck didn’t spend money somewhere else downtown? (Most likely, a bar)”

    I have no way of knowing.  I know that most times, if there’s a food truck in the area that I like, I go get some food from the truck and bring it home to eat.  In my experience, I’d guess that most people show up for the food trucks, and leave.  I haven’t seen a whole heck of a lot of this “promised” or even anecdotal evidence that “75%” of even most people who eat at food trucks spend money elsewhere.

  • colin
    09/02 12:26 PM

    I wouldn’t feel comfortable putting a number to it, but I’ve never gone out at night for the sole purpose of getting food from a food truck. If it’s nearby and more delicious than anything else, I’ll go.

  • Mike of Klausie's
    09/02 12:30 PM

    I’ve heard the same argument over and over - foodtrucks are going to put restaurants out of business, so therefore if you like restaurants you have to outlaw the foodtrucks. People say this over and over like it is a matter of fact like gravity. But I have yet to hear anyone site any evidence that supports that this will happen. Not even anecdotal evidence of a restaurant going out of business because of a foodtruck. So let’s hear them, or maybe we should just put that argument to rest.

  • stretch b
    09/02 12:38 PM

    I am gonna buy a 1/8th acre lot in downtown and invite every single truck to sell right there.  FU! you vinyl-clad, shallow-cultured city boobs!  These are the same folks who took our tax dollars and gave us a fountain, and they put their own names on it!!!

  • A Man Named: Truth
    09/02 12:51 PM

    This wouldn’t be an issue if Empire Eats had a food truck…..

  • Mark P
    09/02 12:53 PM

    Can’t we all just get along already?....I’m hungry.

    Food Trucks:  If you want in Raleigh…Get organized.  There are allies on the Council.  Win the consumer, their dollars sustain…their votes count.  (Consider finding a lawyer that likes your food).  Get a thick skin.  Take the ‘high road’.  Commit to not reverting to petty comments on your Social Medial outlets, (no matter how many times someone calls 911).  You have a right to be in business even it the model is ‘new and scary’...that will wear off, just weather the storm gracefully as a business professional.

    Brick and Mortars:  It’s ok….we are ALL having tough times these past couple years…everything will be ok… you will still be loved and visited (as long as you have a good product that supplies a need)—-food trucks: pay attention to this too.

    Council:  Your job is to further Growth, Possibility, Abundance, and Safety for the City of Raleigh.  Stick to the Safety issues around Food Trucks and let the free market decide Growth, Possibility and Abundance.  If you lead the nation out of this ridiculous debate by example with the right decision that is a Win/Win/Win, you will not only be looked upon as a forward thinking problem solving city, but you can move on to important things that really matter.

    What’s for lunch?

  • Matt G.
    09/02 01:03 PM

    I don’t think most people in District C agree with Eugene Weeks on this one.  Who’s interests is he protecting here?

  • James Hepler
    09/02 01:29 PM

    Thank you Raleigh for ensuring that Durham remains the mecca of food trucks in NC!  We proud of our food truck offerings, but even moreso of the cooperation that exists between local restaurants and food trucks.  Durham’s last food truck rodeo saw as many people from Raleigh as Durham, so PLEASE keep sending your cash our way. And while you’re here in D-Town, feel free to enjoy one of the many other attractions our town has to offer!  Also, Raleigh, sorry your political system is so corrupt that mafioso restaurant owners get to make your decisions for you.

  • Mark
    09/02 01:32 PM

    Mark P and Localbloated pretty much nailed the main take home message in their posts. I hope the food trucks / restaurant owners / and council members read them and take them to heart.

  • James Hepler
    09/02 01:40 PM

    I think the argument that food truck owners need to jus tlearn the rules is kind of funny when you consider that the rules change at the whims of the people with power and influence.  Does anyone think that food truck owners in Durham have to jump through the many and changing hoops that keep getting added?  There’s wither a culture of welcome or a culture of resistance.  Chapel Hill and Raleigh are obviously of a different mind about food trucks than Durham, and it’s obviously largely due to the influence of people who are scared of competition.

  • JK
    09/02 01:54 PM

    I’d like to know why food trucks are considered unbeatable opponents by the likes of Hibernian, Zely & Ritz, Helios and McDonald’s, and yet the dozens of other restaurants around them are not. Will they band together to close down the Rockford, Mellow Mushroom, Starbucks and Turkish Delights next?

  • James Hepler
    09/02 01:57 PM

    Easy, JK, food trucks are usually cheaper, and they’re mobile.  They can go to crowds rather then trying to lure crowds.  But those places you mentioned aren’t as scared of competition as they are of having to WORK and be creative to draw customers.

  • Ben
    09/02 01:58 PM

    Rob and JT are nailing the essence of this issue:

    Rob: “But the lack of anything a larger, more developed city has is constantly a problem for Raleigh.  I mean these are food trucks.  We talking ’ bout food trucks…food trucks.”

    JT: “Raleigh is a small, but growing town.  I’ve been here for 12 years and I’m ready to leave.  I have long since experienced everything it has to offer.”

    Andy W. says, “I think what this basically boils down to is the 43rd largest city in the US is not ready for prime time.”

    To me this issue has nothing to do with food trucks. The issue is why people are so up-in-arms about them. I think it’s because the people who want to believe that Raleigh is a Real City feel constant agonizing anxiety due to the fact that they know it’s not one. It may become one, but, frankly, it’s not one. Food trucks won’t turn Raleigh into Portland, San Francisco, New York, or even Austin. No other single trapping - or combination of trappings - of a Real City will make it one, either.

    It’s always weird to me that the same people who think that Raleigh is this major rising force in American culture also dismiss the possibility of anything outside of one specific three-by-five-block area as having any cultural legitimacy.

    If you’re happy living here, great. If not, there are many, many other cities (several of which I have lived in) that offer way more in terms of culture and the Urban Lifestyle than Raleigh ever will. This place has what I personally want in a city, which is why I’m here. I also understand the idea of actively changing a place to better suit what you want it to be. If that’s the case, then active energy rather than resentful sniping would seems a more appropriate response to perceived setbacks.

  • Marky Mark
    09/02 03:33 PM

    I wonder what would have happened if some of these food truck operators had met with the concerned restaurant owners to see if they could have come up with some sort of a compromise before they even came before the City Council. I also wonder what would have happened if the Klausie’s Pizza guy hadn’t pulled off his little stunt in front of the Raleigh police station. I would like to see food trucks as much as the next person, but I have very little sympathy for them. Their sole game plan in this whole affair seems to have been to whine a lot.

  • jason
    09/02 03:53 PM

    Not to sound mean spirited, but I kinda laugh when the food truck owners try to argue about all the jobs they create. I saw a recent article mentioning that the new restaurant Beasley’s Cheicken & Honey employs something like 60 people. That’s probably more than ALL the Triangle Food Trucks combined. And the food truck vendors wonder why the council gives more weight to the concerns of the restaurant owners?

  • Jill S
    09/02 04:07 PM

    I love this quote from the Owner of Klausies Pizza in a recent Carolina Journal Article:
    “Stenke has secured a commissary agreement in Raleigh, but refused to say where. “I’m keeping it a secret,” Stenke said. “You’ve got to keep your commissary close to you because they are very, very valuable. Without your commissary, you’re done.”
    So much for food trucks working together. I guess Mr. Stenke understands the concept of keeping the competition away afterall. Why else would he refuse to let others know who he uses as his commissary in Raleigh. BTW, if anybody was curious who the mystery commissary is, I heard from a reliable source it is the establishemnt known as Events at Newton Square which is a Reception Hall in North Raleigh.

  • James Olin Oden
    09/02 04:15 PM

    Thanks for the list of government officials; you made it easy for the lazy man that I am to express my feelings concerning this to the proper people.

    I have posted the letter I wrote here:

      http://www.facebook.com/note.php?saved&¬e;_id=10150359620250708

    Any are welcome to copy paste and mail for themselves.

  • frank
    09/02 04:16 PM

    What a spoil sport you are! Jill, will you come over and tell my kid that Santa is a lie? Is name really Jill or is it Ronald as in Ronald “No Food Trucks will serve anything better than my kangaroo meat burgers” McDonald?

  • James Olin Oden
    09/02 04:18 PM

    Sorry, that previous link requires someone to have a facebook account.  Here is the text of the email:

    Dear Respected Stewards of the City of Raleigh,


    Over the past year I have seen a general pattern of protectionist laws being levied against the food truck operators within the borders of our great city of Raleigh, NC.  I have always felt that our country was a place where one may profit from ingenuity and hard work.  In particular, I felt this city was a hot bed of such enterprising individuals taking risks and reaping the rewards of honest hard work.  The rulings by the City of Raleigh and focused campaign against food trucks operating withing the borders of the city Raleigh has cast a shadow on this belief and on the reputation our beloved city.


    I agree that some reasonable regulations are in order for fairness sake alone, as for instance it would be out of order for a food truck to pull up right in front of a restaurant with outdoor seating.  Surely traffic concerns have to be weighed, also.  However, if a restaurant operating in a free market is really loosing business because they cannot compete on a level playing field with a food truck, I would humbly suggest they need to provide a better service and/or product, and not seek refuge from protectionist and clearly unfair laws.


    In this time of a down turn in our national economy, that brave individuals would strike out to start their own businesses providing services that are truly wanted by their customers (who are also members of the community of Raleigh) and succeed only to be stricken by protectionist laws is saddening.  I urge you to seek the better path, and remove these arbitrary road blocks to their success.  Let both parties meet in an open market, and may the best businesses win.


    Sincerely and Respectfully,

     

  • chris
    09/02 04:19 PM

    This conversation confuses me. What matters is what benefits consumers. Have reasonable rules on sanitation and noise, but beyond that let the market decide. I don’t see why the effect of food trucks on stationary restaurants is relevant. Joe asked “why do we need food trucks?” I don’t know whether we need them or not, but it shouldn’t up to city council to decide.

  • Synaesthesiac
    09/02 04:25 PM

    I read the meeting minutes and the polarization of this issue is a media fabrication.  The council seems keen on letting food trucks happen.  Crowder gives a lot of anecdotal rebuttals (like kids going to bed at 9:30) that seem irrelevant in downtown proper, but the general mood of the discussion is that the food trucks should happen as long as they don’t interfere with existing ordinances.  Don’t make the mistake that the council is a bunch of fogies saying “no” to everything, they are actively trying to push this issue forward and there is nothing OFFICIAL about kicking food trucks out.  The issue is moving forward and the discussion seems mostly reasonable.

  • Synaesthesiac
    09/02 04:33 PM

    Additionally, I feel that the issue of competition between food trucks and brick-and-mortar restaurants is completely reasonable.  They will compete with one another in many circumstances, and the food trucks have an unfair advantage as their overhead is so low.  As a city we should encourage more permanent brick-and-mortar restaurants and allow trucks as yet another option, but it’s important to cultivate a fair environment for competition.  While I think the trucks should be allowed to operate until 3a.m., the other restrictions seem reasonable.  Surely other cities have similar restrictions and also have a healthy food truck industry, and the discussion taking place amongst the council members suggest creating a similar environment in Raleigh.  There just isn’t as much of a controversy here.

  • Dawn
    09/02 04:39 PM

    It is a shame that the Raleigh City Council seems to have been bought by the brick & mortar restauranteurs.  It is narrow-minded attitudes such as these that make Raleigh seem more backward than other cities which have welcomed the variety of food truck options (Atlanta, Washington DC, Portland OR come to mind quickly).  To put it plain & simple, sometimes you want to go to a sit-down restaurant & other times you may be in the mood for food truck food-to-go.  I see no reason that both modes of food service cannot coexist in Raleigh.

  • Tracy C.
    09/02 06:45 PM

    Dear Raleigh,
    Thanks for reminding me of why we are moving into Downtown Durham and away from you.
    I never had seconds thoughts, really, but this just confirms our thinking.  I, personally, do not want McDonalds to dictate what food is served on the block. 
    Also, please continue to send all of your hardworking and creative folks to Durham.  We appreciate and love them and will give them all the props they deserve.  I promise.
    Thank you,
    Tracy C.

  • mike of Klausie's
    09/02 07:57 PM

    Jill what a brilliant detective you are! Unfortunately your news flash has put another business at risk. I was protecting the business’ privacy and attempting to avoid their getting hurt by this heated debate. Big boss taproom was already hurt by the foodtruck debate when downtown restaurants threatened to stop carrying their beer if they continued championing the foodtruck cause. Too bad you didn’t just ask, Jill

  • Jill
    09/02 08:43 PM

    Mike,

    Somebody did ask and you refused to answer. Just check the article. Just check the article below. The manufactured drama has grown old and tired. As others have already pointed out, this would be long over if the food truck vendors got organized and put their heads together as one person put it ... “to construct a simple argument that doesn’t come off like a toddler on a tantrum”.

  • jill
    09/02 08:48 PM

    Quote from previous post pulled from this article in the Carolina Journal.
    http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles/display_story.html?id=8025

  • mike of Klausie's
    09/02 09:28 PM

    Jill did you just miss what I wrote? Your disclosure just put not only one but two businesses in jeopardy.  The idea that I did it to exclude competition is insane given that I’m the one truck trying to bring them into the Raleigh market - and taking all the heat for it. On behalf of the business that I have been fortunate enough to use as a commissary, thank you for the future repercussions.

  • jt
    09/02 10:34 PM

    Thank you for reminding me of why I am moving to San Francisco.  I look forward to visiting raleigh with the epic restaurants getting food from sysco and us food service.

  • Rob
    09/02 10:37 PM

    So true.  Last one out hit the lights.

  • Jill
    09/02 11:11 PM

    Please Mike. Enough with the melodrama. Maybe it’s time for a new tactic. Or you could just keep doing what you’ve been doing with the city council. How’s that working out for you?

  • Mark P
    09/03 08:46 AM

    Children!  Please!....grown ups were talking here.

    Jill:  Mike is right.  With the way that he has been treated this past year it would be natural to defend and keep under wraps a business that could be put to similar disregard if made public.  He was working with and protecting the interest of a business affiliate to foster a symbiotic relationship that benefits both businesses.  It’s such a crazy concept it just might work…working together.

    Mike:  See my comment above:  Don’t play into this petty tit for tat commentary.  It strengthens their disregard.  Make Good Pizza and stay persistent and professional.  Take the high road and do good business.  Fight the good fight at council but ignore these nay-sayers…they only have so much breath.

    Rather than nanny, nanny, boo-boo… Get organized? How? Following the steam of ‘positive’ support above as in the case of Ben’s comment ‘active energy rather than resentful sniping would seem a more appropriate response to perceived setbacks.’ I couldn’t agree more. 

    Here is an idea:

    To those ‘supporters’ that are building a boycott of the restaurants that oppose food trucks.  This boycott will ONLY feed the flames of resistance and manifest, in actuality, what their perceived fears are…YOU (in your ‘support’) are giving life to their argument!  Rather than boycott…Organize.  Get creative!  If this is your fight and you truly want to change minds (Mike, Lucas, any other food truck or supporter!).  Get together in multiple groups of 4 or 6.  Get matching red t-shirts that simply state…‘I support Food Trucks in Raleigh’ and start dining in opposing restaurants wearing these shirts.  Show them that the people that are their customers are your customers too.  Reinforce to them that you will still be around if a food truck parks outside.  Sit there as a group billboard for their other customers to see.  Be polite, courteous as you would at any other meal.  Engage them in conversation about their beginnings as a business owner, ask about their lives and treat them as someone that is invested in the same livelihood that you share.  Serving Food.  Order their food and enjoy it.  How much more effective would your argument be if 3 nights every week, a different 4 or 6 top came to their restaurant like this, red shirts, spending money, engaging them in fruitful conversation, introducing them to your children.  pssh..Boycotts are the recourse of a lazy mind and simply lack any imagination, for f*cks sake! 

    Here is another one:  Invite a supportive council member to the next Durham food truck rodeo, show them the people and families that participate, gathered Downtown, having fun.  Try to have them help you convince an opposing council member to join the both of you at the next upcoming rodeo.  To the slow minded ‘supporting’ passive-activists:  There is NO government conspiracy against Food Trucks…it’s just Government, status quo…in a capitol city…do you expect anything other than BS, red tape and snail’s pace?  Have you been in America very long?

    I’ve attended many of the public hearings on food trucks as a spectator and feel the owner of Valentino’s Food Truck has the best attitude.  Listening to him speak with sincerity about ‘wanting’ the success for ALL business is inspiring.  Organize?  Get together with your thoughts BEFORE a meeting and present them AS A GROUP.  Let him stand for all and speak on your common behalf.  The passion and compassion that is evident when he speaks cannot be learned and cuts through…effectively. 

    I’ve got a million ideas…and I’m not even directly involved…
    GO!  DO!... or don’t…
    it’s up to you.

  • brian_M
    09/03 09:00 AM

    | This wouldn’t be an issue if Empire Eats had a food truck…..

    ^ This, right here. This is what is really going on.

  • brian_M
    09/03 09:07 AM

    Coincidentally…HAS ANYBODY CHECKED THE LEGALITY OF FOOD TRUCKS IN DURHAM YET? I’ve been toying with this question in my mind for a couple of weeks, because I haven’t heard it come up anywhere, until someone I know asked the same thing. I would not be surprised if they are sitting on their hands because they finally have something on Raleigh.

    Also, I have friends in other cities, and I’d like to report that this same bullshit is going on elsewhere. Atlanta and Columbia, as examples. Raleigh isn’t alone with this issue.

  • Mark P
    09/03 09:18 AM

    brian_M:
    is it what is really going on?  Empire Eats?  Based on what ‘facts’ vs. ‘speculation’.  Accusations don’t help.
    Yes it is a national issue, reinforcing that is is most likely no ‘conspiracy’ by nature…just a new natural phenomenon.
    And…
    an opportunity, if Raleigh really wants to be on a progressive/leading/on it’s way to a larger city path.  As I stated above:  IF the city decides on a win/win/win, it can be on the forefront of a national movement ‘That makes decisions, in a downed economy, towards progress…a place of abundance and possibility’...which is exactly what Durham is doing, (and Yes, probably sitting on their hands.)  IF the city of Raleigh decides to wait it out…it will not be viewed as a ‘leading’ city…it will ‘follow’ and remain ‘a follower’.

  • Mike of Klausie's
    09/03 10:43 AM

    Mark P - Excellent comments. The t shirt idea could really work. I don’t know that there’s time before Tuesday’s mtg though.

  • sycamore
    09/03 11:25 AM

    “What it boils down to is whether you would have your council representative actually represent his or her constituency, or represent a few fearful restaurant and McDonalds owners.”

    “Who do you think pays more in taxes?”

    You want to break that down for me?  A few opposed restaurants vs. 400k Raleighites?  You’re kidding, right?

    Also, I am not of the belief that there is a finite amount of dollars up for grabs here.  More diverse options mean more people going out spending more money.  It’s not a zero sum game.

  • Jill
    09/03 11:40 AM

    Mark P - Even I have to agree you make some good points. I think your suggestions are spot on. Well done.

  • Joe
    09/03 12:11 PM

    ”  A few opposed restaurants vs. 400k Raleighites?”

    400,000 Raleigh citizens don’t care about food trucks, and most have never ever heard of them.  The food truck contingent is just a few hundred underemployed/unemployed hipsters downtown.  I would guess that one McDonald’s generates more jobs and more tax revenue than every food truck in the Triangle combined.

    Just because something is important to you doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily important to anybody else.

  • frank
    09/03 01:57 PM

    Enough melodrama? Is that what you demanded Jill? You’re the stupid idiot that had to give away the commissary name when it wasn’t called for.

    You’re a snitch. You’re big mouth jerk that stuck your nose where it didn’t belong so you could be Missy Knowsitall.

    Can’t wait to find out who your are so we can all publish true tales of Jill and things she’d rather not have exposed on the internet.

    are you going to list the establishments that swore they wouldn’t carry Big Boss if they let the Food Truck park on their property? Or is that not part of your snitch agenda?

  • Finance-Chick
    09/03 03:24 PM

    @ Joe - Several food trucks visit Centennial Campus at NC State regularly (Klausie’s is here every Tuesday), and I happen to work for one of the very large companies which resides on Centennial.  I’m neither underemployed, unemployed, nor do I consider myself a “hipster” (being a CPA usually means non-hipster).  I buy from the food trucks on a regular basis and LOVE the fact that they bring convenient, great food to our area weekly. 

    Every person on here makes such generalizations it’s insane.  Your words can be turned around very easily - just because something is NOT important to you, doesn’t mean it’s not IMPORTANT to anybody else.  Part of living in America - thanks - we get it.

  • MAS
    09/03 04:22 PM

    Yawn, wake me up when Raleigh wants to grow up.

    1. Both sides are pathetic symbols of leadership. It’s obvious that everyone is going thru the motions.
    2. Downtown is controlled by a powerful few (you know, rhymes with Tatum, among just a few others).
    3. The City Council lacks vision, heaven help M.A. Baldwin for trying.
    4. Food trucks: organize and present a legitimate set of regulations, account for the noise, waste, traffic, energy and environmental “decay” that you contribute.  And, yes, you do.
    5. Create a tax for yourselves. Present it appropriately.
    6. Account for the negative issues that brick and mortar restaurants have against you. (i.e, line by line realistically account for those issues. Present this.)
    7. Be gracious. Create “new” locations and don’t argue over Glenwood Avenue and Fayetteville Street ... that seems to be the ultimate problem.  Find new pockets to operate from. No reason why Hornablow’s and other bizarre locales aren’t acceptable.
    8. Opponents: Realize that anyone can have a mobile unit: a Buku food truck, a Subway food truck, a Starbucks Coffee cart, some little girl’s lemonade stand, etc.
    9. Realize that Hispanic and Mexican food trucks have been around for YEARS ... and are operating under the radar right now. Get a clue.
    10. All: wash your hands.  Apparently, this is not always common among food-handlers in this debate.

    Oh, and one more: go to the grocery store, pick up some produce and other foodstuffs and fix YOUR OWN FOOD! Sheesh, lazy bastards. Pack your lunch. Eat less.  The only way to make an impact on the restaurants holding this debate hostage is to NOT GO TO THEM.

  • Robert
    09/03 04:34 PM

    Next time Raleigh needs Food Trucks for one of their city sponsored events…all the Food Truckers should decline. Temporary food vendors should all Boycott special events downtown. Tell the city you can’t have us participate if you don’t really want us until you need us.

  • brian_M
    09/03 06:47 PM

    Mark P, if you think there are no machinations going on behind the scenes between restaurant owners and city councillors, you have rose-colored glasses on. Am I going to offer you proof? No I am not. This is a blog with open commentary, and I am not a journalist. I may or may not know this for a fact…it’ll all come out eventually what the truth was behind the city’s opposition/lack of movement. On the other hand, Raleigh appears to be playing by the book, as annoying as that is (and counter to what people want); meanwhile, I’d like an answer if anybody has one to my earlier question…does Durham have regulations on the books regarding food trucks, and are they being enforced? I won’t be surprised to find that food trucks are not legal in Durham. It’s a bit Wild, Wild West over there.

  • smitty
    09/03 06:57 PM

    Durham currently allows food trucks inside the downtown loop. Anywhere else in the city trucks need a temporary permit.  Durham restaurants are complaining of course.

  • Mike of Klausie's
    09/03 09:10 PM

    MAS, I delivered a proposal from foodtrucks that speaks to restaurant concerns, provides a method to pay for enforcement and deals with environmental concerns to the city council in september of last year. I believe it’s in the public records.

  • Jason R
    09/03 10:33 PM

    I’m sure Mike thinks he provided a viable proposal, but I would be willing to wager it was not a consensus agreement sigend off by ALL food trucks, lacked input from restaurant operators, and likely contained provisions that violated other ordinances. In other words, it wasn’t a proposal that would work and didn’t have “buy in” by stakeholders other than the guy who wrote it. This has been the fatal error of food trucks from day one. Lack of organizing and planning and not speaking with one unified voice.

  • Mark P
    09/03 11:43 PM

    brian_M
    I do tend to lean towards the positive side of things.  My glasses may very well be rose colored.  I personally feel, especially in a downed economy, a shared attitude of ‘abundance and new possibility’ is more fruitful than a combative grasping onto ‘scarcity and status quo’...but what do I know?
    Let me take my glasses off and try to see it your way and let’s assume your statements are correct:  Restauranteurs ARE plotting schemes with the officials elected publicly to hold office BUT they “appear to be playing by the book.” (Wow, that IS quite a charade). After you go ahead and publicly insinuate that Empire Eats is one of these puppet masters, you won’t back it up because, other than public insinuations, this blog is not the proper place to do so and as a non-journalist who may…or may not…know this as a fact…are not willing to say. BUT if we as readers and citizens just wait it out… THEY (who ever they are) will reveal the truth to us…eventually. (is this part of the original scheme?) Do you really believe this? What are you accomplishing with these thoughts that you are presenting?

    Personally I don’t know the laws in Durham but this line of thought is much more interesting than your other…keep digging.

  • Mike of Klausie's
    09/04 12:06 AM

    Jason, in my experience with this debate, assumptions have stood in the way of a positive, meaningful dialogue. Your assumptions re: my proposal made without even reading it are a great example of this. Why don’t you just read it first, and if my proposal is so horrible feel free to tear it up then. Assumptions are pointless and clutter real dialogue.

  • LoneVoice
    09/04 07:32 AM

    What makes a progressive city? A see a lot of comments about “Raleigh not wanting to be a progressive city” for the simple fact that the city council is not so inclined to do so. Because of this terrible tragedy against humankind, Raleigh must be permanently marked & forever condemned for being a backward, hick-filled, redneck town without hope of redemption in the future.

    Would it be ok if food trucks blocked bike lines when setting up their shop?

  • Jason R
    09/04 08:10 AM

    Mike, it is kind of hypocritical of you to talk about “cluttering real dialouge”. As far as I can tell your professional facebook page is filled with childish snipes before and after each council meeting that do just that. I understand you are frustrated with the lack of progress, but your actions behaiving in such a manure do little to further your cause and quite often spread misinformation. Maybe you should take your own advice? My other point still stands - The food trucks need to be better organized and speak with a unified voice. There is no denying that this has not happened and it has severly hurt their cause along the way.

  • rdugirl
    09/04 06:23 PM

    Lol @ “If Empire eats had a food truck, this wouldn’t be an issue.”  Maybe the food trucks can take turns parking in front of what used to Duck and Dumpling et al.

  • ncmathsadist
    09/04 10:42 PM

    Raleigh’s beat. Predatory towing.  No food trucks. What a drag.  Why not just roll up the streets at 5PM?  While you’re at it rename it East Dustbunny.

  • Phillip
    09/04 11:06 PM

    I think the new ordinance will pass on tuesday and the food trucks will find a lot of opportunity for business in Raleigh. What will everyone talk about then?

  • Mike Robinson
    09/05 01:56 AM

    SO intense.

  • Anon
    09/05 11:07 AM

    i don’t care either way, as the food truck’s offerings are rarely, if ever better than any restaurant, and at best, just slightly more convenient.

  • JBS
    09/05 08:48 PM

    Anyone who declares they are leaving Raleigh because we can’t have food trucks… check you later. Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.  On the other hand, bring on the food trucks.

  • jt
    09/06 08:21 AM

    I am actually leaving for the mountains, beach, jobs, and 10000s of awesome restaurants.  The 4 decent restaurants here are kind of getting old after 12 years.

  • ed
    09/06 09:41 AM

    We need beer trucks. Or mobile cash only bars. That will give the restaurant owners some real perspective on what late night competition is.

  • JT
    09/06 09:59 AM

    ^

    I like it.

  • Jess
    09/06 10:02 AM

    no food trucks in time for hopscotch… :( booooooo

  • WILLNCSU
    09/06 01:33 PM

    I don’t get the opposition to food trucks.  We need less regulation on businesses, not more.  Ridiculous.

  • Happy
    09/06 02:26 PM

    The Raleigh City Council Just approved the Food Truck Ordinance by a vote of 6-2. Will be effective as of October 1, 2011.

  • Michelle
    09/06 03:03 PM

    Huzzah!

    http://raleigh2.com/raleigh-passes-new-food-truck-laws-p3092-1.htm

    Too bad its not in time for Hopscotch, but YAY!

  • wrinkleintherug
    09/06 03:10 PM

    not sure i understand why everyone is upset…these guys took a measured risk to invest money in a business with the “hope” that it would be approved by the City, and it wasn’t.

    guys in the restaurant/bar business have to jump through continuous hoops to even get open and then are harassed, literally, by health, ABC/ALE and building inspectors and a quagmire of city/county/state regulators and regulations that are incredibly inane. 

    whats the difference?

    these guys can still operate in Raleigh, just need to hitch their wagon to a KINGs or BigBoss or the like and knock it out…thats what they do in durham at places like motorco.

    and to compare raleigh to austin or similar areas in california is well, like comparing raleigh to austin. that is just silly.
    think about downtown just five years ago and think about it now.  brick and mortar business owners worked hard to build up downtown with a very supportive city government, the truck guys just need to find their niche or take a different tack.

  • Mike of Klausie's
    09/06 03:34 PM

    This is a great day for the City of Raleigh!

  • wrinkleintherug
    09/06 03:46 PM

    i don’t live in raleigh anymore, hence:  im confused. two diff articles on two diff sites about this issue. 

    is anyone happy?  plse explain

  • vrodhunts
    09/06 04:58 PM

    This is a situation where compromise is necessary.  Should food trucks be allowed in the City of Raleigh?  Yes.  Should a pizza truck be allowed to park directly in front of a stationary pizza place? No.

  • TitanLH
    09/07 01:58 PM

    This restrictive approach to an already-bustling business in any other large city is just slowing down the progress of city growth. Sure there should be regulations…such as in LA, a food truck selling a type of food may not park in front or near a brick-n-mortar business selling a similar type of food…those type of restrictions I understand but the permit application is going to be a nightmare for food truck owners and businesses who do want trucks on their property…

  • Phillo
    09/07 04:40 PM

    If you in the entrepreneurial spirit and feel like the restrictions on getting a food truck permitted are too onerous, why not put your efforts into opening a B&M restaurant?  And get a liquor license for it while your at it. 
     
    Then come back and discuss how hard the permit application process is for a food truck. 
     
    Hell, they should make everyone in the Participation Trophy Generation do that so that they can get a much needed sense of perspective.

  • Joe
    09/07 09:22 PM

    “If you in the entrepreneurial spirit and feel like the restrictions on getting a food truck permitted are too onerous, why not put your efforts into opening a B&M restaurant?  And get a liquor license for it while your at it.”

    Building and fire and sign permits alone are enough to make a grown man cry.  A food truck is an order of magnitude simpler to open and run than a brick and mortar restaurant.

  • Scott Bandy
    09/08 05:50 PM

    This is really a sad article to be reading. I’m a Raleigh Native who has temporarily relocated to Portland, OR for a few months to work. What I’ve discovered here is that people are passionate about food; more specifically, local food.  There are dozens of food trucks/carts everywhere and, for the most part, they put out amazing, quality food.  There is even a place called Cartopia which is a city block of food trucks that stay open until 3a.m.  I’ve eaten there on a regular basis and have never seen overly drunk or obnoxious people.  It’s a shame that my hometown, which likes to tout itself as a progressive, “up-and-coming” city, is so backwards and boring.  Small business are the lifeblood of a downtown, especially food businesses.  Glenwood Ave and Fayetteville St can NOT be the only places to go to dine. If this creativity keeps getting squashed,  downtown Raleigh will eventually return to the empty and lifeless area that I remembered as a kid.  Shame on you city council!

  • NotScott
    09/08 07:08 PM

    ^^

    Scott - You need to get up to Speed. The city council just passed and ordinance ALLOWING FOOD TRUCKS DOWNTOWN!

  • Harriet
    09/09 02:28 AM

    “Durham has 262,000 people living in it.  It would take about 100 Magnolia Grills thriving to say that Durham is some kind of foodie paradise.  The *vast* majority of Durham is poor working class.”

    Hey Joe you snotty jerk - Kiss my grits!

  • Mac
    11/27 09:25 PM

    I am getting to the conversation late, but I am currently in the process of starting up a food truck and wondering if there could be a follow-up article?

    I know on 9/6 they passed some new rules/guidelines for food trucks, but upon actually doing some research, it seems just as impossible as before 9/6 to operate within Raleigh city limits.

    I want to know what the current vibe is, are current trucks just operating in Durham/Carrboro?

    Thanks for any info.

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