Raleigh Municipal Building: Should It Be Demolished?

Raleigh Municipal Building: Should It Be Demolished?

May, 19, 2010 , by Jedidiah

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all photos by John Morris unless otherwise noted

Over the past few months, there has been a lot of votes, discussion and opinions about whether or not the Clarence Lightner Public Safety Center should be built on the North side of Nash Square in Downtown Raleigh. The discussion and opinions have mostly been focused on the future of the site but little has been discussed about the history of the site and whether or not we should actually keep the building that currently sits in the spot of the proposed building.

After considering this and thinking about the existing Raleigh Municipal Building, we decided to ask a few some folks who we knew had an opinion about the situation what they thought about the future of the Municipal Building. Below are the responses of three individuals, Raleigh City Council member Bonner Gaylord, a photographer and writer with a passion for Raleigh architecture John Morris and Clearscapes Architect Jon Zellweger, AIA. Each have different backgrounds and current employments, but all share a love for downtown area, its character and its future.


photo from Triangle Modernist Homes

Bonner Gaylord - Raleigh City Council Member

For over half a century, the Municipal Building at 110 S. McDowell Street, on the corner of McDowell and Hargett, has been the fulcrum of Raleigh, NC.  Here is why we shouldn’t destroy it:

Sustainability

From a sustainability perspective, tearing down any building to build another in its place is never best practice. Putting an entire building (and the embodied energy/carbon impact) into a landfill is rarely the answer if the goal is environmental stewardship and conservation. Consider not only the resources of the physical structure, but also the gasoline, diesel, coal, nuclear, etc. fuels that were required to fabricate the materials, transport the workers, and build that structure. Tear the building down, and all that energy, effort, and resultant pollution is for naught. The best way to conserve resources is to conserve the structures that we already have in place.

From Preservation North Carolina’s Website (See Preservation North Carolina’s Stance on this Issue, N&O Article along with Facebook Page): “The greenest buildings—as Carl Elefante, a noted Washington DC architect, told us during Preservation NC’s 2007 Annual Conference—are the ones already built, and many are the historic places that tell North Carolina’s story. ‘Taking into account the massive investment of materials and energy in existing buildings,’ Elefante has written, ‘it is both obvious and profound that extending the useful service life of the building stock is common sense, good business, and sound resource management.”

Now this isn’t always possible and certainly shouldn’t be mandated for all circumstances, but the City of Raleigh should be setting an example by preserving and enhancing our existing buildings.

Our Mission Statement

The City of Raleigh Mission Statement includes that: “We conserve and protect… We welcome growth and diversity through policies and programs that will protect, preserve and enhance Raleigh’s existing neighborhoods, natural amenities, rich history, and cultural resources for future generations.”

Preserving this building could not more fully represent the implied and explicit values expressed in our Mission Statement. To truly exhibit integrity, the City of Raleigh should hold itself accountable to its own Mission Statement.

Our History

From Civil Rights, Kennedy, and Vietnam until today, the history in this building is palpable.  Walk the beautiful worn terrazzo floors under towering ceilings with solid oak trim work. You can close your eyes imagine the stories. You can feel the visceral desperation of the accused, sense the honor of public service, and hear the echoes of many lifetimes of dedication given by generations past. 

This building has soaked up and still represents a core of honor, duty, and service. We live in a disposable culture, but we shouldn’t dispose of everything.  The values represented by this building are worth keeping. If we tear down this building, the physical embodiment and daily reminder of the best of what we stand for is lost forever.

Art

The man who designed the Municipal Building, G. Milton Small Jr. “was a student of Mies van der Rohe and was one of the foremost modernist architects working in the southeastern United States” (NCSU Libraries “Guide to the George Milton Small Papers” Abstract).  His works are listed on the National Register of Historic Places.  One of his buildings at 105 Brooks Ave. (visible from Hillsborough)  “is considered one of the city’s best examples of the International Style of architecture and a historical touchstone for aspiring students.” (News and Observer) In fact, tours of this building are part of the curriculum at NC State University’s College of Design. (Student Tours Mandatory)

Is the Municipal Building Small’s Masterpiece?  It doesn’t matter… You don’t throw away a Picasso because today’s trend ascribes some relative value. G. Milton Small Jr.‘s architectural ideas and designs are revered and taught to this day in design schools.  Indeed, his work is preserved in NCSU Libraries Special Collections. We preserve these drawings as important to our history because G. Milton Small Jr. was a Master.  Architecture produced by a master is nothing less than art. 


Hotel Carolina from the State Archives

Community

Architecture produced by a master is art.  Art is the physical and lyrical expression of an idea.  Our ideas form our collective consciousness.  Our collective consciousness establishes our community.

Destroy this building and we not only destroy art, we destroy our community.  We don’t have to look far, or far back, to see when this city has made a mistake tearing a building down which harmed our community; the current City Hall is located on the site of the beautiful old Hotel Carolina (See above photos from North Carolina State Archives). At the time the public was told that the building wouldn’t support the weight of file cabinets and other office equipment…  Let’s not tear down another part of our community under the banner of another lame excuse.

Summary

The City of Raleigh should abide by its own Mission Statement and recognize that the greenest building is the one that’s already built. 

The City of Raleigh should not trash a history of honor, service, and duty; we should not demolish our community; and we should not destroy art.

If you agree with the two sentences above, I hope you will join the effort to preserve this building.

Whether you agree or not, I would love to hear your thoughts on this or any other matters; feel free to email me any time at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

John Morris - Publisher of Goodnight, Raleigh!

Let’s Not Repeat Mistakes: Don’t Destroy the Municipal Building
(see John’s blog for a complete photo-filled version of his article)

In mid-March, the Raleigh City Council stalled on the resolution to replace the old Municipal Building with the new Clarence Lightner Public Safety Center. In the past few days, there has been a renewed push in exploring ways to overcome objecting Councillors’ concerns about the cost of the project.

The debates both for and against building the new Safety Center had valid supporting arguments, but noticably absent from the debate was the case for preserving the existing structure. That has changed in recent weeks, and I’m going to add my voice to the growing chorus of citizens calling for preservation rather than destruction.

Some Background: Raleigh’s Modern Legacy

Many cities are known for a dominant architectural style. Miami, Asheville, and Durham are known for their for their splendid Art Deco buildings. New York, San Francisco, and Detroit have large swaths of beautiful Victorian-era architecture. Chicago, Los Angeles, and to a lesser extent, Raleigh, are all known for their modernist buildings.

The Municipal Building that would be destroyed is one of Raleigh’s buildings that contributes to this legacy.

Anchoring Nash Square

Nash Square is in a unique position with regard to the buildings that sit on its perimeter: every side of the square has a modernist structure. In addition to the Municipal Building, there is the News & Observer Building, Raleigh Fire Station One, and the original location of the Raleigh Times. The old Raleigh Times building was retrofitted with a modern facade at some point in the late 60s or early 70s.

Most of Raleigh’s modern buildings (and in particular the residential ones) are on the west side of town.

Designed By a Local Legend

Milton Small’s office building near the corner of Hillsborough St. and Brooks Ave. No other architect has received as much attention on this blog as G. Milton Small. His office building on Brooks Avenue was one of the first architecture articles to be posted to this site, and at one point I proclaimed him as my favorite architect. Milton Small left a mark on Raleigh like few others have.

Lower left is Capital Bank Plaza, known as the “Little Seagram Building” after bearing a striking resemblance with the building in New York designed by Small’s mentor.

Historically, Raleigh has been a follower and not a leader when it comes to archtiecture and trends in design. Small was at the forefront of those that brought these trends to Raleigh. He was a student and disciple of perhaps the most influential modernist architect of all time, Ludwig Mies van der Rohe. Lured to Raleigh like so many others in the early days of the College of Design by Dean Kamphoefner, he had a role in educating others as well as running his own firm.

Why This Building Matters

When the City Councilors of 1959-1960 met in this new building, Raleigh was a much different place. Officers of the RPD would check in via callboxes and payphones. Schools and businesses were segregated. Jesse Helms was young man serving on City Council.

The previous buildings which housed City Government have long since been demolished. The most recent location, ironically, was razed to make way for the BB&T Building (now Capital Bank Plaza) designed by Milton Small.

Looking to the Past

Everything comes full circle—we generally adore the architecture of our grandparents but not of our parents’ generation. Victorian architecture was very out of fashion at the time in which Raleigh razed most buildings in this style. It wasn’t until a good time later before people began to appreciate it.

Looking to the Future

We’re at a unique point—more and more people are beginning to come around to the beauty of the modern style. So much, in fact, that George Smart of Triangle Modernist Houses has an ever increasing crowd of fans taking tours of modernist homes. We have an opportunity before us to save this building at the right time, when it is appreciated by
the citizens of Raleigh.

The building has been vacated as the Raleigh Police Department has relocated its headquarters. It could serve as commercial or municipal office space. In either scenario, we gain more by utilizing it rather than razing it. Not all buildings warrant being preserved simply because they have been around for a while. This building matters though, and can be modernized and utilized in other ways—a process far more “green” than building a LEED-certified structure.

I’m in favor of building the Lightner Center—our city’s first responders need a state of the art facility. But let’s build it somewhere else, such as on top of one of our countless parking lots. We have the opportunity to preserve a building that embodies an architectural style that Raleigh is known for—we shouldn’t squander it.

Jon Zellweger, AIA - Architect at Clearscapes, PA

Previously Jon wrote a great article on New Raleigh about the Garland Jones Building, RIP

When first asked to comment on the value and fate of Raleigh’s Main Police Station, formerly the Raleigh Municipal Building, I knew it was due to my advocacy for saving Wake County’s Garland Jones Office Building. As buildings from the same period, they are infused with similar ideologies from the Modernist playbook as it was codified at that time as ‘the International Style’.  Both possess ahistorical detailing, are machine-like with their curtainwall construction and generally speaking, were/are models of efficient, cost-effective building practices emerging from the post-Great War period.

Despite the similarities, I do not immediately leap to the conclusion that it is absolutely necessary for this building to be saved. However, rather than spend my effort arguing for its prompt razing (because I do not necessarily believe we should do that either), I’d like to take the opportunity New Raleigh has offered me to voice my interest in something that I see as a greater issue:  How do we, the citizens of Raleigh, begin to have a more effective discussion - that then feeds into an effective process - in determining what buildings have collective value and should be saved and reused?

Let me begin by stating that I am not a preservationist, but rather a strong believer in the adaptive reuse of our built environment. The difference between the two is that I believe buildings should not be embalmed but rather, like people, should evolve over time. With this comes change of use, new paint jobs, new openings are cut and former openings are closed. There’s a reason why people sometimes trade war stories about broken bones and scars: That’s where things get interesting; there resides memory and a story of becoming. 

Coupled with the fact that science has accumulated enough data to demonstrate that the world is not a place of infinite resources, this is only more reason to consider building reuse. Furthermore, is it not true that in a capitalist economy, material efficiency is commensurate with fiscal responsibility and profitability? 

While culturally we are all enchanted by something shiny and new, we also hold great value in tradition and the heritage of our forebears. We frequently transfer that reverence to many of our buildings and to such an extent that in 1974 Raleigh made the Oakwood neighborhood its first historic district. This was a public proclamation of our common values in that some things SHOULD stay. 

Now, let’s take beauty off the table for a moment. In 1974 we actually did:  prior to this, we thought those Victorians were so damn ugly that we were tearing them down, left and right until some little old ladies stood in the way of “progress”. If there is one thing I have observed, it is that you cannot judge a building by its appearance alone. If you do, you might be tearing down that next “Oakwood”.

I won’t pretend to know whether the City should save the former Municipal Building, the issue is very complex. I will say that we definitely have not demonstrated that we know our city’s history, because this may be the third time we doom ourselves to repeat it.  Also, I feel strongly that today we judge our buildings superficially with a narrow preconception of beauty.

I’d like to see us open the discussion to the wastefulness of throwing away all that concrete, glass, steel and masonry, already in place. I’d like to participate in a dialog about what a building does well or poorly, so we can learn how to make our buildings work better in our environment. I’d like to share ideas on how we can creatively adapt well-built structures to help tell the story of what went on there.I’d like to learn how we can better embrace our heritage while moving passionately in to the future. I’m just not sure we did that this time….again.

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  • Carver
    05/20 12:06 AM

    Some interesting reading. Thank you for posting!

  • Rostel
    05/20 03:00 AM

    I understand this argument, however, we just tore down the Garland Jones building which was a far better example of modernist architecture, not to mention the building behind it, both of which were built in styles that Raleigh has very few examples of remaining.  If you think that this building will ever be highly regarded the way we see our old Victorians then you are sadly mistaken IMO.  This was built as a cheap post-war municipal building.

    When it comes to conserving and sustainability, this building would be a VERY small price to pay for a higher capacity, green facility.  Consolidating these facilities will make space for other higher density development in the future for a more centralized population.  Or we could just continue the mid-rise trend all the way out to the suburbs.  You get my point.  A centralized population means more people walking, less fuel consumption and less traffic.  Its as if you think you’re thinking it all the way through with saving the building all together, but it goes way further than that.  The greenest most sustainable thing to do would have been to have never boult this city in the first place and left it as virgin forrest and open land.  But lets face it, our population is going nowhere but up so we need facilities to accomadate and serve us.  This would be the best thing for posterity.

    Think of it like this…....Terminal A is about to go down and a newer better one will be built in its place.  Will we miss the architecture in twenty years?  Maybe, maybe not.  But one thing will be certain:  the new facility will be serving us far better than the old one, and better projects how we want to be viewed as a city

  • Rostel
    05/20 03:02 AM

    I would like to see a few of those palm trees lining the front of whatever replaces it.  That would be cool.

  • rl
    05/20 08:17 AM

    get it outta here in wit the new out with the old!

  • smitty
    05/20 09:25 AM

    How many police officers can afford to live downtown?  Put their place of work in the burbs, or in a crappy neighborhood that needs it.

  • Kate
    05/20 09:42 AM

    I dunno, I think losing the Garland building is all the more reason not to lose another modernist structure, even if Garland was “better.”  Or we could just turn ourselves into Charlotte and tear down everything “old.”

  • mgd
    05/20 11:10 AM

    Wow thats one long article!  Awesome pictures!


    The green issue is a very valid point.


    But I have a question for the trendies on here that think a city should grow up but not out. 


    How is this achieved with out taring down smaller building and replacing them with a new taller ones?

  • rjb
    05/20 11:15 AM

    it’s time for it to go - and go QUICKLY

  • Shan
    05/20 11:22 AM

    Is the plan to tear down just the building pictured (the old police building) or both that one and 222 W Hargett Street (actually named the Raleigh Municipal Building)?
    Also - the location of the police building is not connected at all to where officers live/can afford to live. It makes sense to have their headquarters near the courthouse and jail - facilities they use a lot.

  • Betsy
    05/20 11:42 AM

    “One typical building in a North American downtown – 25’ wide and 120’ deep—when torn down, wipes out the entire environmental benefit from the last 1,344,000 aluminum cans that were recycled.  We’ve not only wasted an historic building, we’ve wasted months of diligent recycling by the good people of our community.” —Don Rypkema, economist and urban places expert.

  • Betsy
    05/20 11:50 AM

    The very first thing that will happen on the Nash Square-facing side of the Lightner building is that it will be hardened and closed to the public to defend against a potential terror attach. 
    .
    Sad fate for the sunny, south-facing street frontage that overlooks Nash Square, and could be the site of a vibrant public space to take advantage of the southern exposure and park views.  The site *begs*  for anything but a hardened, institutional building. 
    .
    Imagine the current building, rehabbed as a flagship downtown library, steps and a plaza added between the sidewalk and Hargett Street, with kids and moms pouring in and out of the library on a sunny afternoon. 
    .
    A playground and fountain in Nash Square across the street, an outdoor reading room like the one in Bryant Park NYC, and food vendors and sidewalk cafe located on this south-facing exposure in front of the library’s ground floor.
    .
    Yes, that would be one way to animate the last southern exposure available on Nash Square, populate downtown with more potential customers, and generate activity around one of our great, but underutilized, public parks.

  • RaleighRob
    05/20 11:54 AM

    Bonner Gaylord makes a good case of still building the Lightner Center at another location (perhaps that horrible parking lot at the corner of Hillsborough and Dawson Streets), while preserving and modernizing this building to continue to be offices and such.
    Sounds good to me….we get the best of both worlds.  The question is, though, where to get the money to do both?  If he can answer that question, then fine…preserve the municipal building.

  • ER1C
    05/20 12:25 PM

    Good read, but a bit unbalanced.  It would’ve been nice to hear more from those in support of the new public safety center.  I’m a fan of architecture, but the modernist style kinda grates on me.  To me, the Garland Building was hideous and I was pleasantly surprised when it had been torn down.  The Raleigh Municipal Building is a more visually pleasing example of the style, but I feel it’s time has come and gone.  Another aspect to consider is the civil engineering and construction industries in this town are still feeling the effects of the recession and could use just about any projects they can get.  The green concerns are valid, but given the need for jobs the new building will hopefully trump the old one.

  • ct
    05/20 02:24 PM

    The Lightner concept ought to be replaced with a bunker-style building for 911 and emergency ops away from vulnerable downtown—rather, in east or southeast Raleigh where land is cheap and the neighborhood badly needs a boost (not to mention increased police presence). I tend to agree that preserving the RMB is worthwhile. However, I don’t know what condition it’s in. Depending on the status of wiring, plumbling, ADA accessibility, concrete/rebar integrity, etc, you could be looking at a total gut job that saves only the facade and the underlyling structure. That’s a pale green project.

  • ncmyk
    05/20 05:47 PM

    Imagine the current building, rehabbed as a flagship downtown library

    its called ‘wake county libraries’ not ‘city of raleigh libraries’  if wake county owned this land, they would probably put up a courthouse on nash square - but wait they already are on the other side.

    i appreciate the love of libraries - where were you when garner was spending the last year trying to convince the county not to close the second largest and second most used library in wake?

  • mgd
    05/20 06:01 PM

    Whats wrong with the liberry @ Cameron Village or NSCU liberry?  The CV berry is newly remodeled and it might be a 30 min walk or 5 min bike ride.  If you arent motivated by exercise then if you plan it the R-line to Cat Bus might take 15 min.  NCSU berry isnt much further!

  • Rostel
    05/20 07:25 PM

    Who needs a library?  Come on Betsy.  Whatever it is…...google it!  Lol!  “Mothers and children”???  From where?  Downtown is not a place where families live.  And really, whats wrong with the Cameron Village library.  Im also fine with building it elsewhere also.  Perhaps in the middle of warehouse district where the future train station will be located.  Strategically that would be the best place and would set the bar for future construction in the warehouse district.  Wherever they build it, it should be central and prominent.

  • ct
    05/20 08:09 PM

    Wake County operated a “Business Library” in downtown. It closed in the early 1990s, if I recall correctly. Can’t remember whether it was on Salisbury St or Fayetteville St Mall, but I think it was the latter.

  • ct
    05/20 08:11 PM

    By the way, you can read the history of the Wake County Public Libraries at

    http://www.wakegov.com/libraries/about/history.htm

  • mgd
    05/20 08:50 PM

    Rostel- The trendies want to keep the warehouse district intact too, b/c of its architecture.  Trendies want to grow up but not out.  So they will bitch about that too.

  • Rostel
    05/21 02:16 AM

    Lets face it.  The warehouse district represents the best possibilities for future growth in downtown.  You cant have your cake and eat it too.  Somethings gotta go in order to grow….....I nominate warehouse district.

  • Ken Metzger
    05/21 10:16 AM

    ummm… there are a ridiculous amount of empty lots downtown.  There is a lot of room to grow without tearing down a thing.  The city actually owns some of these lots as well, so why not use a lot that contractors cannot get the financing to use?

  • Dave
    05/21 11:52 AM

    Yea, I am all for getting rid of that building.  Making it a useless library, or historic land mark is just stupid. 


    We need taller building downtown, with more office space, and etc to pull some of the businesses from RTP into downtown.  Also more condos is always a bonus.  10+ stories of something modern, and green would be great!  We are always called “the young city” and our buildings especially downtown need to show that we are new/young.

  • ct
    05/21 12:04 PM

    Pulling business from RTP into downtown isn’t likely. NCSU even put itself in direct competition with downtown when it built the Centennial Campus, e.g. RedHat.

    Many of the largest employers in RTP already have multi-building campuses where they want to keep their employees close together for convenience, e.g. Cisco and IBM. Some of the rest have laboratory or manufacturing operations in RTP that would never go downtown, e.g. BASF. Some are governmental and aren’t going anywhere, e.g. EPA and NIEHS and UNC-TV. Others like RTI want neutrality between the three research universities. Even the law firms want to stay close to their clients.

    Also, RTP employers want to draw from the labor pool in Durham, Orange, and Chatham.

  • Rostel
    05/23 09:23 PM

    Tear it down or build lightner somewhere else.

  • crb
    05/24 12:18 PM

    to rostel
    Palm trees?!  In Raleigh, NC?! I don’t see any palm trees growing wild in Raleigh. Everytime I see that sad, pitiful, dying palm tree in front of the police station I wonder “what moron decided it made design sense to put a palm tree in front of the police station?” It looks ridiculous! I love palm trees! When i’m in Florida! Here, we should use native trees for landscaping.

  • matt
    05/24 12:34 PM

    Regardless of what I think of Betsy’s library idea, it’s not going to happen. OUT OF MONEY.

    I think the “Lightner” building should be the institutional complex named after Bud Light, by the way.

  • mgd
    05/24 12:41 PM

    The Bud Lightner Building is kind of catchy.

  • ct
    05/24 12:51 PM

    The money question is also a function of the new Raleigh Union Station. Presumably the feds would fund most of it, but the city’s share is likely to be another $10-20 million. Small change compared to the convention center or Lightner, but after a while all these projects add up.

  • mgd
    05/24 01:03 PM

    I think the Convention center is an irrelevant topic.  I believe it is being paid for by prepared food tax and hotel tax.

  • ct
    05/24 01:20 PM

    The tax on hotel and prepared meals doesn’t cover any operating loss for the convention center, which hits the mainstream city budget. Will be interesting to see how much operating subsidy the convention center will have burned in the fiscal year ending next month.

  • Rostel
    05/25 12:34 AM

    That palm tree is not dying.  Its a sable palm which IS native to NC.

  • ER1C
    05/25 02:58 AM

    I’m with crb on the trees. Raleigh is supposed to be ‘The City of Oaks’. It only seems fitting to use them.

  • arthurb3
    05/25 02:35 PM

    Most modernist buildings are blaa. This is one of them. There is really no reason to keep it. If the new building has more space and still keeps some nice details- and is not a box- I welcome it.

    The chinese fan palm that is planted next to were the old ramp use to be can be moved.

  • cakalack
    05/25 04:39 PM

    If preserving an old structure is the green and right thing to do, than why didn’t Kane Realty save the old North Hills Mall instead of leveling it and starting over?  Could North Hills have been as successful today if they chosen instead to recycle the existing building?  I’d be curious to see what the General Manager Mr. Bonner Gaylord has to say about that.  Why should these principles of sustainability be applied differently in the private $ector verses public sector?

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    05/28 08:51 PM

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  • fruity pebbles
    05/29 08:28 AM

    I am not taking any advice from some one named Bonner Gaylord.

  • Rostel
    05/29 04:58 PM

    Hahaha!  Thats funny.  Tear it down, the building sucks.  Just get a photographer to go through the building and take a bunch of pictures until you’re happy and then blow the thing up….......its called progress.

  • Mark
    05/30 10:06 PM

    Funny, how I hated Garland Jones for so many years, then one day I was in love with it. I think after living in Five Points with the Realto, Sting Ray (RIP), and Hayes Barton Cafe all there, I started to appreciate all things retro. At some point I might also feel the same about the police HQ. How about we just leave it there for now and take down the awful parking deck and put the Lightner Center there. And seriously….invoking “progress” as a reason to do anything sounds like Sarah Palin trying to justify the next oil rig off the outer banks.

  • Rostel
    05/31 09:15 PM

    Sarah palin….......oil rigs in the outer banks?  I like the sound of that.

  • Rostel
    05/31 09:17 PM

    Remember we are talking about a building here.  The most important thing here is the people and how they will be served by a newer better building.

  • mgd
    05/31 10:57 PM

    Rostel - you mean the off shore drilling Obama supports??


    Obama says: “No Drilling off Florida” in election year.
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/02/campaign.wrap/


    What Obama does: Drill Baby Drill!!!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

  • rl
    06/09 08:48 AM

    get that old piece of shit outta here it isnt even that relevant bonner gaylord is being way too dramatic in that statement. new buildings are good! dt raleigh rarely gets rid of any buildings anyway so what is the problem?

  • Carver
    06/09 02:52 PM

    Is art not some what subjective. As Gaylord references the building as art. And we could have new students tours in a new building that is LEED Certified to educated our students on the future of development/building styles!

    As it stands now the building is not aesthetically pleasing to myself personally. But that’s just me! Are people really coming to Raleigh because we have these aesthetically pleasing Modernist Style buildings. I’m afraid NOT! Is this to be the vein of our existence in Raleigh?

    Are we to rape, scare and deplete acres of new land in spite of reusing available space ready for FUTURE development. We could debate the pros and cons until we are blue in the face. The fact is towns, cities and countries grow everyday. It’s nothing NEW to knock down old buildings and rebuild new ones. NOR is it nothing new to clear cut land and build. It Happens everyday!

    So why are really debating such a thing? What are the Personal issues? It can not be because of ART and educating students at NCSU? That’s what Professor, Books and the Internet(HaHa) are for. I want to know what the hold up really is?

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