Mark Friday, July 18, 2008

Night Life

Solas Raleigh Now Open

As of recent, Glenwood South is the most popular, most talked about neighborhood in Raleigh. Businesses are moving in and out constantly, and everyone is looking at who’s opening next. Over the past few months, we’ve seen news about several staple Raleigh businesses: Revolver, a hip consignment shop is moving in; internationally sold Holly Aiken Stitch has moved out; Cody’s Bistro was replaced with Thaiphoon; Zely & Ritz and Sushi Blues are getting a major makeover; Helios switched up the interiors in their space; the new Brooklyn Heights Bar opened; and one of Raleigh’s absolute favorite restaurants, Tasca Brava, has come to the strip.

When Solas owner Niall Hanley had a vision to create the hottest new bar and restaurant in town, he knew exactly where to put it: South Glenwood Avenue. Jon Wright, New City Design Group‘s design lead for Solas, describes the idea for the project as “an upscale urban restaurant and nightclub similar to those found in Las Vegas or Miami.”

Each floor of the building has it’s own idea. The first floor, including an outdoor patio that wraps around the north side of the building, will be a fine dining restaurant. White table cloths indeed. Upon entering the building, the bar is on the left, backlit with candlelight fixtures. A full height wine rack insets the back wall and provides a visual resting point from the bar. Most of the fixtures in the entire building are LED, and many are highly customizable. The material palate for the restaurant consists of natural elements, rich wood forms, brown leathers and rust colored fabrics. A dumbwaiter is installed adjacent to the kitchen and 1st floor bar for delivering food to the upper deck.

The second level of the building presents a dance club/lounge atmosphere. The bar flips to the north on this floor, and the focus is on the DJ booth and glass dance floor, visible from some of the booths below. Private dining rooms are to the rear. Each portion of the building has outdoor space; on this floor, it’s the balcony overlooking Glenwood South. The interiors selection includes grayscale with pops of red for accent and impact. The bar on this floor backs up to windows for a dramatic skyline view.

One downtown Raleigh club manager, who shall remain anonymous, said: “They are going to have a rooftop lounge and that’s something no one else has.  That is intimidating.” As if that wasn’t enough, the building is structurally engineered to receive a full live load on the very top of the building, and the elevator was built such that the piston may be adjusted to allow it to reach the roof. In other words, Solas is designed to be expandable.

The utilities and circulation of the building program are pushed to the south and the west of the site. This allows the street front and north face of the structure, which is stepped back off of the zero-lot line, to be predominantly glass, or open in the case of the rooftop bar. The elevational composition is based on a 4’-0” module horizontally and vertically. This module was broken at certain locations to maximize the foot print.

The material selection for the building was an attempt to use familiar products to local trades but in a slightly different application and color. A black iridescent brick was employed in a utility size (oversized) to tie closer to the scale of the masonry elements. Metal siding that is traditionally hung vertically was installed horizontally to emphasize a weaving of forms and materials. Fritted glass is used at the top band of each floor to break down the scale of the field of glass and add another layer of texture. It also helps block some sunlight transmissions while maintaining views out.

HVAC equipment, which is typically mounted on the ground or roof, is installed on a mechanical rack at the back of the building on the second and third floors. This allowed the designer to maximize the footprint and hide these units while maintaining functionality and accessibility.

Solas has planned their opening for early August, just in time to feel that sultry North Carolina heat on the rooftop bar while cooling off with a drink. There’s still quite a few things to be done to get the space ready, but the owner has been on site every day, doing quite a bit of the work himself, and keeping everything on schedule. Check back to New Raleigh for updates on Solas and future events. 

drawings and rendering courtesy of New City Design Group

Solas
419 Glenwood Ave
Raleigh NC 27605

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  • Katie07/18 09:59 AM

    I look forward to being there opening night. It’s also my birthday grin

  • DPK07/18 11:10 AM

    Can’t wait.  Everyone I know really wants to check this place out.

  • Leo07/18 11:11 AM

    Excellent work, Mark. The pictures look great.

    Solas has definitely raised the bar in Glenwood South and I’m hoping if very successful, will force others to really spend money and make their product shine in order to compete. GS has come a long way.

  • bird07/18 12:07 PM

    Well, It’s good to see another fine establishment opening in raleigh.  However, the exterior looks like it was designed as an office building and then the owner allowed a restaurant to occupy.  I’m not complaining about the restaurant, just wished it looked like one from the exterior. 
    b

  • mantis07/18 12:43 PM

    Interesting, glass dance floor...with a view from below?

  • J07/18 12:45 PM

    What does the outside of a restaurant look like?  I can’t wait for the roof top deck and happy hour.  It looks great.

  • Katie07/18 12:46 PM

    Wow, good catch. Note to self: Wear pants.

  • Rusty07/18 12:55 PM

    “Glass dance floor”

    Awesome. I think the building is a nice counterpoint to the Helios building. It’d be nice to see restored 200 year hold houses side by side with this kind of Modernism.

  • DPK07/18 02:12 PM

    Wow, good catch on the glass dance floor.  Completely missed that.  That’s going to make things interesting.

  • brian_M07/18 03:02 PM

    Wow, it’s A+ except for that signage...FAIL.

  • tom07/19 06:32 PM

    not correct signage!!  The sign is actually the same as the logo large round back lit disc.

  • brian_M07/19 08:34 PM

    Well that’s a relief. Hopefully the type on the signage was kerned a little before being sent out for manufacturing, particularly between that first s and the o. The building looks tight, the accompanying graphic design should be as well. Fingers crossed.

  • Melissa Jackson07/19 11:46 PM

    With its innovative ideas and Raleigh’s top Executive Chef, Cliff Vogelsberg, Solas is a sure bet to be the best place in town!  We are anxious for the opening!

  • JZ07/20 09:13 AM

    I think it starts an argument with Helios rather than a conversation.  It would have served them better to put the alley access on the south side of the building, allowing the upper floor windows on the north facade of Helios to remain free and clear.  That move alone, a simple mirroring of the plan, could have alleviated other contextual missteps.

    Regardless....no matter what we want to believe, new is not always better. We are becoming Charlotte and this is definitely the newest torchbearer.

    Should auld acquaintance be forgot....

  • d0807/21 02:19 PM

    What do you mean JZ? Haven’t Raleigh folks been complaining about not having a high concentration of Charlotte-esque nightclubs in and near downtown? I think this spot gets the ball rolling. I’m curious to see how the established nightclubs on Glennwood respond if this spot is a hit. Structurally, Solas has all the goods. But ultimately, the clientele will drive this spot.

  • d0807/21 02:20 PM

    oh yeah...let’s see if I’ll be able to get in!

  • JZ07/21 02:25 PM

    Well, maybe its not my style....and perhaps I’m in the minority....the cheese/playa-factor is just way to high for me to handle....

  • d0807/21 02:44 PM

    Agreed. But compared to other NC cities (that’s not saying much if you’ve lived in a large sprawling metropolis) Raleigh is a very pretentious city, especially when it comes to nightlife. You should have known “smart-pretentiounes” would soon give way to “cheese/playa pretentiousness” on Glenwood.

  • JZ07/21 03:18 PM

    I guess I’m living in a different part of town....I was thinking of places like Horniblows, PRs, Mitch’s Tavern, the Raleigh Times, Sawasdee, Dalat, the Morning Times, The Mission Valley Cinemas, Neomonde, Cup a Joe, the Rialto, Moonlight Pizza, Western Lanes, friday nights at Capital City Grocery, the late, great Boo’s Hideaway, Landmark....among others....I’m not seeing any pretention there.....

    Besides, I wasn’t trying to imply pretention, but a superficial means of interacting where appearance supercedes substance and being seen is more important than having a conversation. 

    Those places exist in all types of cities and towns.  Its fine that they exist. I’m not trying to moralize and I’m happy to be in the minority. I just don’t like them because I feel so unsatisfied and empty when I engage them.

  • d0807/21 04:33 PM

    Pretension = vanity = superficiality...so, the majority of the places you mentioned are uber-pretentious.

    I don’t know what sort of crowds you run with JZ or if you’ve ever lived in a smaller city/town, but if you don’t speak a certain way, look a certain way and act a certain way at the places you mentioned you won’t be taken to too well...especially in the downtown bars/gathering places.

    Same -ish, different toilet. You know what I mean? In society, for the most part, there are customs you must adhere to that are characteristic of a certain locale. If you want to fit in and be accepted that is.

    In most of the places you named, the crowds there are like a lower-tier and generally younger version of the Chapel Hill wine & cheese crowd.

    I tend to like places where you can wear a Wrangler outfit or Phat Farm and still get a decent conversation, good laugh and a beer outta someone without the stares of bewilderment and the intensification of the clique-ish mindset as soon as the outsider who doesn’t measure up appears.

    The bars are really like the “cheese-playa” nightclubs...just maybe not as ostentatious, but the same vanity. It’s just concealed a lot better at the bars.

    I usually feel unsatisfied leaving both.

  • Sam07/21 07:41 PM

    I am excited about dressing like miami vice and chilling on the roof top. This is the only rooftop bar in town. I think it has potential to attract a variety of people simply because of the roof experience. Raleigh Times attracts a variety of folks. Tourists on the weekend and local dwellers on weeknights. I can see it being the antithesis of the Brewery on Boylan which boasts a similar vista appeal. Sure it’s pretentious but what bar/restaurant isn’t pretensions in some way?  I have friends that think Jackpot is the snottiest place in town and other friends that think it’s a place where you can be yourself and not care what other folks think.  To each his own. I enjoy a PBR, but occasionally I’ll have a pinot noir and a cheese plate, big deal I get sick of drinking the same thing even if i do return to the pbr.

  • Deb07/22 07:06 AM

    I grew up in Miami and have experienced real pretense in the clubs and bars there. I have yet to see anything like that here in Raleigh - although I have seen plenty of people/places that are trying their hardest to do so, but many Raleighites are too smart to let it happen. Fact is, you can still pretty much walk in just about any bar or club in Raleigh wearing (within reason) anything you like and not be turned away. There is little exclusivity imposed by bars/clubs - even if a membership is required, just about anyone can obtain one.

    Are there velvet ropes? Is there a dress code? Will the establishment only let guys in who are bringing in a gaggle of attractive women? Is there a $20+ cover? Do drinks filled with ice cost $12+? Is there a $40+ minimum to use a credit card? Do you have to purchase $200 bottles of alcohol to have a place to sit down? These things are your biggest indicators of pretense. The attitude of the patrons does not necessarily indicate pretensiousness of an establishment, because if anyone is allowed in, others can change that attitude if choose to do so.

    We’ll see how Solas ends up. Because it is right around the corner from me, I would hope that it would be a cool place for a good mix of people. It does seem like it might try to go for that exclusive scene, but no one is forcing us to buy into it.

  • d0807/22 09:55 AM

    I appreciate you offering that DEB...but you’re coming from Miami, lol! Of course the Raleigh scene is gonna seem like beer troughs in the middle of a podunk! As SAM said, to each his/her own, and I think experiences shape opinion. I come from a smaller town with a rural feel in most of its areas, so, generally speaking, Raleigh’s downtown, Glenwood, North Raleigh and some other sections just seem pretentious to me.
    You wouldn’t believe some of the nightspots I’ve been to and how crude they were!
    But I still like to go out in Raleigh, people watch and engage in small talk with anybody on the scene. I always learn something. I’m anxious to see how Solas will turn out, and to experience it.

  • Victoria Bradley07/22 02:00 PM

    I am interested in knowing of positions available with Solas.  Are you interviewing at the present time?

  • wg07/22 02:59 PM

    you missed the hiring, victoria… guess you never search jobs on craigs list, b/c they were posting vacancies back about 4 months ago.  they are opening in a week, so they are already trumped up.  sorry!

  • greg07/23 09:02 PM

    seriously? utilities & material selection? yeah, that’s exactly what i wanted to know about solas, not to mention relevant to their opening.

  • Tyler07/24 07:32 AM

    Seriously? Have you ever noticed that this blog is largely Architecture & Design focused?

    What were you expecting? Sneak previews of the menu?

  • Ryan07/24 02:32 PM

    JZ...I am with you.  I am hoping Raleigh can keep the hair gel, fake tits and leased BMWs contained to Glenwood South.

    BTW...can I borrow your cornhole set this weekend?

  • JZ07/24 02:44 PM

    Totally!  I can swing it by late Saturday morning....Sorry I can’t make the party, my white suit is still at the dry cleaners after spilling a Crantini all over it while dancing with three hot chicks at Ess last weekend....

  • Ryan07/24 03:05 PM

    I don’t want you to mess up that bad ass new 3 series you just got.  Why don’t I swing by in my Escalade after I work out and do my tanning session at Peak?  Just give me a call on my Blackberry.

  • JZ07/24 03:42 PM

    Who needs Facebook when we got NewRaleigh, yo. <whitey gang sign>

  • Deb07/24 04:27 PM

    d08 - I think you missed my point, or maybe I didn’t make it very clear. I detest the club scene in Miami and think that the nightlife here in Raleigh is much more inclusive and just not really pretentious (unless you are just extra sensitive to that sort of thing). I certainly don’t think of Raleigh as “beer troughs in the middle of a podunk”.

    I too have partied in some great dives and “crude” nightspots, and can say that those places carry their own brand of what you call pretension, vanity and superficiality, just a different variety. I’ve been in plenty of out-of-the-way holes in the wall where patrons other than locals or regulars are not necessarily made to feel all that welcome.

    Anyway, I don’t think that there’s really any place around here that is so pretentious that I wouldn’t go there because of that. Yes, there are places and people everywhere that try to project a certain persona, but what does it really hurt if no one is truly being excluded? I think Solas will be the kind of place to go to people watch and get a few laughs in at the expense of others’ pretentiousness (similar to my one and only experience at Mosquito - the dance floor was a great source of comic relief).

    If you don’t care what others think and you’re more concerned about having a good time on your own, pretense really becomes a non-issue.

    See you on the rooftop at Solas - I’m not gonna let any cheesy playas keep me from having a good time. I welcome all other non-cheesy, non-playas to join me!

  • d0807/24 05:27 PM

    DEB, maybe I didn’t make my point clear either.

    I don’t think it’s fair to solely gauge whether Raleigh’s nightlife is pretentious using Miami as the standard. It appeared as if that’s what you were doing, and it seems you reiterated it — indirectly — in the first line of your post.

    Why even mention Miami if it weren’t an attempt to make a comparative reference?

    The whole beer troughs thing was a lame attempt at sarcasm. Sorry.

    And yes, there is a difference between pretentiousness and outright exclusion by patrons based on the image a club is trying to project. And some hole in the walls are like that.

    For example, I don’t expect to be served or talked to at biker bar in Nowhere, USA. But that doesn’t mean that the bikers there are pretentious. My kind is not allowed. The bikers’ view of me might be ignorant or even prejudiced, but they are still mostly down to earth people without a overblown sense of importance.

    Anyway, I agree the Mosquito takes the cake! And you’re right, you shouldn’t worry about others too much in the nightlife settings.

    I’ll send you a martini on the rooftop!

  • B07/24 09:58 PM

    You guys can have your dance-off contests on the weekends. I call dibbs on thursday night’s after work. I can walk up there and stumble back home. And, grab a $2 burger at Moe Joe’s on the way back.

  • m07/25 08:20 AM

    From the outside at night the place looks really cool I’m excited to check it out but also interested how expensive it will be.  As someone suggested - will they have a minimum $, cover charges, etc.  I think that will shape the crowd.  And at first it will be slammed and impossible to get into as all new Raleigh bars are!  So the real test will be in 6 months.  But in any case looks like a very cool place to grab a bite.  And yes I also thought about the Glass Dance floor - and dresses.. that’ll be interesting!  m

  • Arthur07/26 08:27 AM

    I think its funny they charge a fee for you to sit at a table. Maybe the snobby crowd who like feel like they are special will pay that?

  • kgwiz07/27 01:40 PM

    I acutually can agree with the policies mr hanley has decided on going with. most people arent aware of HOW upscale Solas is going to be to start off with. everybody, including plays/haters/broke mf’ers/snobbs/skanks will be trying to bust the doors down at first. the money is whats its all about. and with the money thats tied up in this place, I can personally say its been well spent in every aspect. I have personally poured 6 months of sweat, tears, sleepless nights, annoying phone calls, hold ups, and “hurry up and waits” working on this project. I dont feel cheated in any way and neither will you. enjoy it when it opens and for long after, as I am sure it will always be “miami vice”,which by the way is still off the hook 24 years later.

  • m07/27 09:48 PM

    To Arthur & Kgwiz - your posts sound like you have more info on the “policies”?  Can you share, or did I miss something?  Just wondering if we show up if we’ll be able to get in or if it’s ultra exclusive… In any case if you can share details I’m sure everyone would be interested.. or we can come back after opening and discuss!  Thanks!

  • The Uptown Corporate Rivetchick07/27 09:55 PM

    I cannot wait to drag my long, cold hands across the “black iridescent brick”. Or hear the sound of my stilettos tapping to the beat of “Solid State Logic” by Haujobb on the latest in high end audio technology. That’s how I roll…

  • B07/27 10:34 PM

    I wonder if they’ll put heaters up there during the winter months. Maybe the Ice Princess will be up there. Cold and dark sounds like her kinda thing. In 4-6 months the hype will where off and that’ll be the time Solas need’s to make their money back. Of course it’ll be 40 degree’s/30 wind-chill on Raleigh’s new rooftop concept.

  • kgwiz7507/28 11:01 AM

    m..to answer your question, the concept is easy. fine dining, with an ultra-lounge, and a awesome view amongst good friends. it is very classy. the only thing that mr hanley has asked of his patrons is to be properly dressed. the other thing I have heard is no smoking inside solas, only on the patio areas. this shouldt be a problem because many other business are going non smoking as well (ie: mosaic). you shouldnt have a problem getting in, but how long the line of guests is to get in will dictate that. as for me..i just know what I have heard while spending the better part of 7 months now inside Solas working on various parts of the project.

  • Jarrod07/29 01:58 PM

    I definitely understand most of your arguments regarding pretentiousness and going to a bar/club where people have an attitude of entitlement/exclusion. That’s no fun. I do agree with Deb that pretention and exclusion is not limited to nightclubs with metrosexuals and golddiggers and can absolutely be found in a biker bar or anywhere for that matter. It comes in all brands and varieties with all different types of people. I like to wear jeans and a t-shirt and go to chapel hill at that place they sell 25 cent beers and get bombed and other dives like The Goat but also sometimes I like to get dressed up, look nice and go dancing with friends. I don’t exclude anyone and I never think I’m better than someone. For the most part you guys sound like you had a bad experience and are hating on a scene that you just aren’t into. That’s fine, just accept it’s not your scene and don’t make fun of other people.

  • denisse07/29 02:50 PM

    i agree with Jarrod.  There should be variety and so there are choices for everyone.  To me solas could be a Miami style lounge place with raleigh local way and hopefully visitors as there must be a why there is a convention center being built…

  • Blzbub07/31 09:19 AM

    Solas NOT opening tomorrow -http://www.solasraleigh.com/

  • Ray07/31 10:11 AM

    Wow! Love the design and the concept. Looks very classsy. Looking forward to the grand opening.

  • JZ is my hero07/31 05:12 PM

    I can’t wait to see them “dumb it down” to stay in business. Watch the glennwood scene & herd pour in. It will lose it’s distinction and become another glorified sports bar- with a glass dance floor.

  • A08/01 07:03 AM

    The glass dance floor isnt a clear glass as it is made to sound...it is a pretty small square section of frosted glass just so you can see there are people above but you cant peek at other things…
    as far as I know there isnt going to be a cover charge during restaraunt hours..maybe for the club after hours.. cabanas up top are apparently vip going for a price to reserve but come with bottle service from what i hear..which I believe will be one of the only clubs in raleigh with bottle service… not a big deal unless you have the money to spend and just want to be seen at a vip table..but hey if I had the money I would in a sec the place is awsome just like his pubs.

  • A08/01 07:16 AM

    oh and by the way...the cover charge/ vip stuff I dont know for a fact...what Ive heard from the “inside” but everything is very secretive so not much is getting out ...I prolly let the cat out of the bag to early oops...my bad oh well… it’ll be open in 3 days anyways…

  • B08/01 11:51 AM

    Hey, so no Aug 1 opening?  I was planning to go!

  • M08/01 01:57 PM

    A - thats the feeling that I was getting too (ie: bottle service, $$) they do that in NYC and you know the likes of Derek Jeter show up, etc.. But we don’t have any DJ’s I guess the closest we have are the Hurricane’s and maybe they wanted a private place for them.  So it will be interesting to see who the high $ folks are.. I mean if you can see them from the street!  ha ha ha!  So also yea no opening tonight ??  Looks like it moved?  Thanks for the info!!  M

  • jack08/01 04:20 PM

    Rumor has it that Solas is now opening on or about Wednesday August 6th.  Everything’s got to be perfect, right? smile

  • Jim08/01 08:59 PM

    The kerning issue has been addressed! We are building the signs (interior and exterior) along the lines of the logo on the Solas site. Halo neon outside, near the top of the elevator tower, (north and south elevations) and backlit disks on the inside. We are doing the interior art exhibit as well, featuring four different local photographers.
    I think the dance floor glass might be a little more revealing than just “little squares” but you decide for yourself! Go naked under there if you are feeling confident!
    Anyhow, I am excited to take part in all of the pretentious glitz and glam if I can afford the cover, if there is one! What a lot of buzz about this project! Cool and fun if you ask me.
    I notice that Hibernian remains well packed always, even though I think it has been open for more than six months.... probably Niall Hanley has a pretty good idea of what he is doing, should be pretty cool. Plus he is a nice guy to boot. I wish him luck. (Is that enough schmoozing to get me in the door with only one gorgeous woman?)
    -Jim, studio106

  • Kevin08/02 08:19 PM

    I hope Solas is smart enough to include some Raleigh personality in the atmosphere.  No one wants to pretend they’re in Soho NY, or South Beach when they’re partying in Raleigh.  Those who live and play in Raleigh aren’t ashamed.

    The place looks very slick, and has a tremendous advantage with that roof top.  Could be pretty sweet, just so long as the crap-don’t-stick mentality takes over.  How does this happen?  It happens by treating patrons (and those waiting to be patrons) rudely, and by overcharging at entrance and for drinks.  Don’t burden your customers when they have alternatives.  The truth is there’s a surplus of drinking holes in Raleigh.  Too pricey here?  I’ll go there. 

    Popularity can keep a bar alive for 6 months, to even a year, but in Raleigh popularity isn’t king.  Remember those bars behind ESS?  Cover charge for a sports bar? Come on.  ‘Soho’ brings a Soho atmosphere?  No kidding.  Remember ‘The Dirty’?  Memberships and covers on a slow Tuesday.  They’re all closed now.

    I hope Solas works out.  I look forward to checking it out shortly after open.  Don’t forget, we have a few other bars opening up at 222 Glenwood.

    Atmosphere is created by the boozers, not by the building.

  • noneya08/04 04:11 PM

    Everybody calm down.  The same people will come and go and eventually we will all either get tired of it, hang out there too often, or forget about it when the next bar opens.

  • kgwiz08/04 05:37 PM

    I have had a blast reading all the HYPE and BUZZ you all have created. the funny part is most of what you speculators are speculating on is still speculation. just be in line on opening day(tent aug 6th, at 5pm) or all of you are nothing but a bunch of boozer loosers that didnt know anything of what you are chatting about. and by the way....the dance floor frosted? dont wear your undies under that skirt… I am at the table below you and need a good look. hairdo’s will be judged for awards. the menu is hot(no hints), the staff is well grommed and styled, and there is NO ROOM for error! the lighitng is subtle and well planned, and yes that table may cost a bundle. but remeber the service will be much higher than some of the other places in town...including the barn or the vault(no names mentioned to protect inncocent) and both of those places seem to do “fine” business...even months or years after opening. so take the slop trough back to AMARA’S tobacco smoke at 222 glenwood or HI-V(yes thats also a disease!) where redneck hillbillies can watch nascar races or football and barf all over the place........

  • B08/04 06:35 PM

    That place will be packed with drunk’n State fans in about 5 weeks. So long white couches.

  • Deb08/05 07:08 AM

    kgwiz: “and by the way....the dance floor frosted? dont wear your undies under that skirt… I am at the table below you and need a good look.”

    Now that sounds like some real class! But it goes right along with the type of girl I saw leaving Solas last week after (I would assume)an interview - complete with the skin-tight white hotpants, 4-inch hooker heels and tank top under one of those trendy awful vests that seem to have gained unnecessary popularity these days. I had flashbacks to Miami and threw up a little in my mouth when I saw her walk out of there and try to navigate the uneven sidewalk on a downhill grade in those heels. Although I was also kind of chuckling inside.

    Anyhow, like I said, I live around the corner and look forward to seeing what the place is really all about. I was hoping it would be a sophisticated yet mellow place without the pretentiousness that is so uncharacteristic of Raleigh, so we shall see what Mr. Hanley has planned for us. Further judgement reserved until opening.

  • Mike Harrison08/06 01:30 PM

    I am ready for the opening! Who is handling your live entertainment?

  • Unknown08/06 01:36 PM

    All these clubs in the little strip of Glenwood Ave, will never match those in Miami or New York City.

    You want real clubs...check out Delano Hotel Lounge in Miami...or Cielo at New York City.  Heck, try Pacha, Club Shelter, the list goes on and on.

    Rather than the customers you wanna-be-party animals are talking about, the key for this place to be successful is the music...the DJ.

    If you have idiots spinning Brittany’s greatest hits...or junk radio...the place will die so fast.  I have yet to see a great DJ come out from this neck of the woods. 

    I have only heard one...and he’s only a back-up at another joint that refuses to give playtime.

    Remember, key to success for any lounge, or club...is the music.

    Good luck Solas.

  • Katie08/06 01:40 PM

    I guess we’ll find out tonight…

  • Jim08/06 02:09 PM

    Regardless, hats off to all of the crews and tradespeople for an obvious TON of hard work in putting together an awesome, complex project, and to Niall (with sincerity, no schmoozing for cover charges) for the vision and the balls to shoot big, and to Raleigh, the little city not afraid to try to better itself, (even if you can still park your car right at the doorstep of the club you want to party at). Not to mention a veritable army of fairly (!) attractive professional servers, quality kitchen staff, managers, etc! I put the signs up last night, (apologies to the aesthetic gods for an obnoxiously visible junction box) and we are working on the interior signage and initial photography exhibit now, trying to beat all of you well wishers through the door! Best to all, good luck Solas.
    -Jim, Studio 106

  • Ray08/06 03:27 PM

    I partly agree about the DJ. Even though I don’t like the attitude you find in Miami clubs, the music is always hot like the weather. Hopefully Solas will have better music than you find in the other clubs around raleigh.

  • Unknown08/06 03:30 PM

    Solas’ music policy will include house and lounge music (no hip hop, and no top 40 unless it’s remixed). Many of the DJ’s in the roster have performed in places like Ibiza and London and play much of the same music as that found in Cielo, Pacha, The End, Space Ibiza/Miami, etc. Also, expect some national/international talent to be brought in eventually for special parties, as well.

  • Tom08/06 03:58 PM

    i don’t know where you guys got your info, but no way is solas opening tonight. i heard from THE inside source as far as opening date, & it sure as hell isn’t tonight. way to report (again), newraleigh.

  • Jarrod08/06 04:10 PM

    Well according to the website, it opens in 7 hours.

    http://www.solasraleigh.com/

  • pbr08/06 04:11 PM

    Tom, where did they say it was opening tonight?

  • adolf08/06 05:31 PM

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    ---Racism will not be tolerated on New Raleigh ---

  • M08/06 10:25 PM

    Ok first of all Wral.com had an article on Solas and great pics and they said it was opening Wednesday.  But the website does say 40 minutes from now which makes it tomorrow!  ha! ha!  We’ll never know I guess!

    Next I met Niall last weekend, he was super nice and very open about the club, his vision, etc.  I was very impressed with his down to earth attitude.

    Lastly - the DJ’s in Raleigh are Horrible!  Sorry but I do like to go out and dance to music I know, music I’ve heard, not all these fancy beats and mixes that take 20 seconds of 5 different songs mash them all together and expect me to like it?  huh? No, sorry thats not for me and most of my girlfriends agree.  We like to dance to good music we know.  M

  • Ray08/07 08:53 AM

    According to the website, Solas is open for business. I can’t wait to find out what rumors are or are not true. Look forward to seeing you all there, particulary “M and the girlfriends”. See you there!

  • an outside source08/07 09:33 AM

    Tom,

    Whatya know....Wral has a video saying Thursday. So all the news sources are wrong and you are the only person (since you have an inside source) in Raleigh that knows the true date of it’s opening. Maybe you should start your own news source.

  • ukno08/07 09:53 AM

    It’s not opening today. Just found out :-(

  • Unknown08/07 12:10 PM

    M...you and your girls like music you hear? And not all these fancy beats...then stay in your car and pump up the radio.  Cause in Solas, if the rumors are true, they are focusing on Lounge and House.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but your lack of taste is not necessary in these types of clubs.  You can have fun in your pajama party at home...with your IPOD...listening to Biggie, JZ, Nelly Furtado...or whatever other crap your head is infested with.

    Expand your mind M...the radio is mainstream...and the revolution will not be televised.

    --Unknown (Or do you really want my name?)

  • Unknown should stay home08/07 12:25 PM

    Sorry Mr. Unknown. You are alone on that one. Sounds you need to stay home and pump your radio. Expanding your mind, you will find “Miami house” music, not “Raleigh house”, to be well known and popular in many hot clubs. I can only hope that Solas will as include it!
    --Sounds like you may be a bit too old for this club.

  • LUV08/07 02:29 PM

    looked forward to the new hot spot in raleigh, but when is it opening

  • M08/07 05:12 PM

    Hey “unknown” first yes have the balls (or not) to sign your comments.  Second I said I liked to dance to music I know, I didn’t say I didn’t listen to other kinds of music.  I love listening to all kinds of music lounge, house, techno, dance, classical, jazz, even country!  But when it comes to Dancing I prefer music I know and mixed well yes of course!  Solas will be great for drinks and food that by the way YES I can afford on 6 figures!  Any more questions mr. noname?

  • Blzbub08/07 07:19 PM

    Geez, grow up.  If these comments are any indication of the types of people who will be frequenting Solas, I think I’ll pass.

  • map08/07 08:29 PM

    When I walked by today I noticed that the sign on the door says it opens Monday, 8/11.  The waitstaff was there and in uniform so maybe they’re doing a special invite run-through.

  • melissa08/07 11:32 PM

    solas had a private pre-opening thursday night. official opening date isn’t until next week. we would have taken pictures of you guys, but we didn’t see you there tonight.

  • new to Raleigh08/08 09:22 AM

    I have only been in town about 6 months and never really went anywhere that I really liked. I guess living in ‘the scene’ in New York, New Jersey, Miami, and SOCal will do that to you. Luckily, one of my friends who is a lawyer down here was able to get me into Solas’s pre-opening event on Thursday. I was extremely impressed. Extremely. The place is gorgeous, and all 3 floors offer you something different. We were there for 5 hours and never once were we bored. The first floor main dining room was elegent and classy. Dinner was amazing. I would classify it as clean, fresh and everything was made from scratch. Nothing super-exotic, but sizable portions cooked to perfection. The 2nd floor lounge was perfect for a pre- and post-dinner cocktail and looks like a room that could be amazing at night or even for a private event. The rooftop lounge was almost literally the icing on top of a beautiful cake. And even though Raleigh doesn’t have the views that a NYC or Miami skyline does, the atmosphere was that of a Bungalo 8 in NY. Classy, well-dressed, good looking people having a great time. Drinks were moderately priced for what was served. The bar staff were mostly very attractive, well-groomed, and professional men, which you do not see in many places outside of big cities. That was countered by a slew of beautiful young hostesses and cocktail servers. I also noticed every member of management was in a full suit. I believe they open to the public on Monday, so I would get there if I were you. I have a feeling you will have different experiences during the week vs the weekends, so I want to see both when they are really cranking. Again, the place is fantastic, and in my opinion, exactly what Raleigh needs!

  • Unknown08/08 11:18 AM

    To my dearest M:

    Happy Friday...now that I have your attention, lets’ meet tonight at Mosaic Lounge.  We’ll continue this conversation, and I will buy you a drink, if I may.

    I don’t have the cojones to display my contact info...but I’ll be the:
    6’4” gentleman, with a white Polo shirt, and beige cargo shorts.  Just pay attention to the watch on my left hand, Tag H.

    Hope to see you there.  Music there is up my alley, and hope is the same for you.

    BTW, discussion was based on music, but never asked you about your 6 figures.

    Bring your friends to but leave the ipod behind.  ; )

  • Ray08/08 12:29 PM

    I have been to Mosiac several times. Cool place to hang, great drink & prices, never paid a cover, but then again it is a bit small with decent crowd only on some nights. I didn’t find the music to be anything special, and we typically only stayed an hour. The dress code is very similiar to Mr. Unknown.

  • M08/08 01:11 PM

    Hey “new to raleigh” wow, thanks for the info -about what I expected and I can’t wait to check it out!  I love the energy of NYC so hoping this place will compare and Raleigh definitely needs it!  My friend had gotten us passes for last night but then she bailed.  So I missed out… bummer!

    Mr. Unknown - not sure I’ll make it downtown tonight I’ll catch you another time!

  • David08/08 02:11 PM

    Unkown,
    Stop ragging on hip-hop. It only shows how close minded you are. If you don’t like a certain kind of art or music its only bc you don’t understand it.  Biggie, Jay Z, Nelly Furtado all very talented.  Get over yourself.  And your watch too.

  • somuchbetter08/08 03:21 PM

    I am so excited! I’ve been looking for a hotspot in Raleigh that doesn’t have huge flat screens all over the place playing sports games or serve drinks in plastic cups. Also somewhere I could have a nice dinner and then party into the night! Where I’m from, multi-level bars usually do the best business. This one with this much class should have no problem succeeding. I just wonder how pricey it is though; like a regular spot, or a special night out?

  • grandmasterflam08/08 05:40 PM

    from your comments, i think i’ll be avoiding ALL of you. who cares what you drive, what you listen to, what sort of watch you have, or how much money you make.
    gross. at least you’ll be amusing when you’re drunk!

  • brian_M08/08 06:39 PM

    Tell it, grandmasterflam! I’m with you.

  • smitty08/10 06:45 PM

    $500 minimum purchase per rooftop table?  Good luck with that.

  • B08/10 07:04 PM

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  • B08/10 07:05 PM

    They should have made this the logo

  • kgwiz08/10 11:37 PM

    I want to personally thank each and every one of you who posted comments on the Solas project. while there has been a lot of impatience and speculation on this project , I can honestly say that everyone has been pleasntly supprised. I am the individual responisble for the ambient lighting(led color changes) and design(well along side of mr hanley) as well as the PA system and dance floor on the second floor. it was pure hell sometimes, other times very rewarding. a lot of tiral and error went into this project to make sure EVERYBODY can experience something that ISNT here already. you may want to compaire it to miami or nyc, but guess what. you arent there. this is raleigh, and its our taste of something from somewhere else. if you want miami, I suggest you go there, butwith gas prices, I would much rather spend my money at solas. please , enjoy yourselfs and try it for yourself. even if just once. and btw b, yes its going to take out several small planets alomg the path. “Darth Niall” and the imperial forces will making sure of that, now that its fully functional. have a great time!

  • kgwiz08/10 11:40 PM

    http://www.eclipsesoundnc.com designed the dance ultr-lounge system and led color changing ambience lighting outside and on all floors.same people who did hi5, red room, the office, oliver twists, mosaic, and many others. enjoy!

  • bob roads08/11 05:47 PM

    i thought That naill designed all the lighting on this project???

  • Emily08/12 06:44 AM

    I just wanna know, am I going to be turned away from the door?  I really was wanting just a chill place with a view to sip on a cocktail. I also want to know if there will be a coat check in the winter.  I would hate to spill a drink on my mink.

  • kgwiz08/12 09:52 AM

    Niall did have some excellent ideas that were used, some modified, and some that were just stumbled upon by accident. like sitting at the bar right after the glass top went on. I had a piece of lighting sitting there when an idea came about. how bout lighting the bar? I talked to the boss, made it happen the next day.....there you go bob..there were many people that had much to do with this…

  • Christopher Triplett08/12 10:16 AM

    SCREW DRESS CODES.

    Usually places with a dress code turn away a man with a sleeveless shirt or flip flops.  But if a woman comes up with a sleeveless shirt and sandals she slides right in.

    When I think of a dress code, I think of a “frat” bar where people get assaulted occasionally.

    “Business Casual” for me is a pair of khakis, a sleeveless shirt, and sneakers/flip flops...that’s what I wear to work.  But would they let me in wearing that?  Perhaps they’re not as stringent, but one of their hired valets said they made a stink about flip flops.

    Dress codes are juvenile, tasteless, and totally archaic.  Would they turn away a Muslim woman covered in her veil?  Would they turn away an Indian wearing a sari?  Would they turn away a Japanese lady wearing a Kimono?  Dress codes are an ode to inequities.

  • Jim Jackson08/12 11:54 AM

    Solas is open! Cool if you ask me. We did the exterior signs, interior signs, and the photographic exhibit (installed yesterday)for Niall. We also did the signage for Brian and Alex at Amras, Adam at Haven, Lanie (and co.) at Primp, Sara at The Cupcake Shoppe etc. Glenwood South does not seem to be slowing down. I think it is cool that these (and other) Entrepreneurs have worked so hard to bring new contemporary establishments into downtown Raleigh, and that they are not afraid to invest in progressive minded operations that offer products and services that weren’t so readily available previously. Even Char Grill is undergoing a moderate makeover! Perhaps the folks that are so quick to judge (condemn?) a new club (etc) should start their own shop exactly the way THEY think it should be done, giving all of the rest of us even MORE cool choices! The alternative would be stagnation I suppose, which is not quite so interesting or exciting to me personally. Enough negativity, how about becoming known as a progressive small city with an awesome quality of life coming into it’s own instead of a small southern city still stagnating in it’s own slumping history? Change is good! 

    -Best to All
    - Jim, studio 106
    http://www.studio106signs.com

  • bob roads08/12 02:07 PM

    I dont know !! kgwiz thats not the info i have !! i I heard you guys installed what naill had planned ? i heard about the back lit bars a few months ago .

  • M08/12 03:23 PM

    My friend and I are going to check out Solas tonight, will let you know how the dress code pans out!  I agree with the guy that men/women having different dress code standards, but that is everywhere.  At the golf course men can’t wear sleeveless shirts but a female can and looks hot, men can’t wear shorts but women can wear short short skirts?  Remember it’s usually the men making the rules!  ha ha!

  • Enigma08/12 04:11 PM

    Going there tonight and can’t wait!  Just the kind of place we need in Raleigh.  First class, progressive, glitzy, and an actual dress code policy meant to keep the riffraff out!  Solas will do great!

  • Christopher Triplett08/12 04:33 PM

    Enigma,

    That is exactly the attitude that makes YOU the riffraff.  Your statement is so brash it almost seems like sarcasm.

    Judging a person by their clothing is no different than judging by their skin color.

  • somuchbetter08/12 05:20 PM

    Its just a different type of establishment. Everyone just chill out. Go there if you want, don’t if you don’t. I don’t agree with the name calling, but I understand where certain people would feel comfortable in a glitzy establishment and others would feel more at home in a local jukebox bar. It’s all about how you want to feel and how you personally feel comfortable.

    I would love to visit Solas to at least give it a chance like every business has the right to. I think it will be nice to dress up for a change. I’ve been to many extremes of bars. You will get the so-called riffraff any place that you go, dress code or not.

    Geez.

  • Christopher Triplett08/12 06:22 PM

    I just don’t like judgment.

    Dress codes promote judgment.

    A dress suggestion is different.  Turning a person away for being over casual is different than turning a man away for wearing a sleeveless shirt or flip flops.

    How often did Jesus get dressed up?

  • Enigma08/12 07:10 PM

    Jesus was from a poor background and his clothes would have been plain and ordinary.  I bet the gang at Solos will gladly make a policy exception allowing Jesus in, sandals and all.

  • Christopher Triplett08/12 07:24 PM

    Missing the point (See above).

  • Emily08/12 07:38 PM

    You know, really.  The dress code is not very extreme.  Come on, now.  I was un-nerved at first about being told what I could not wear, but then I thought about it and realized that I always dress my best when I’m going out.  However, seriously, I want a coat check in the winter.  I’ve had stuff stolen at “nice” places before because they did not have a coat check. And I’m excited about the idea of being able to where some of my nicer stuff out.  Hopefully, I truly can without someone spilling a ‘tini on me or sitting in crap.

  • LewisMiami08/12 09:40 PM

    WOW! Being from Miami beach and opening a sucessful biz here myself, I was always looking for a place that has International culture and could hang out and feel at home as in the bigger city we came from. It is not about skin color, dress code or the car we drive,it is about people being on the same page, and haiving good presentation.  When I first saw it the lighting at SOLAS was very Miami Beach and I was so excited to see this city go to that next level.

  • LW08/13 07:14 AM

    Well, we went to the rooftop lounge last night and it was about 50% regular folk, mainly middle aged and dressed bizcas - lots of kakhi and dress shirts untucked with loafers and no socks for the men.  The other half were well dressed people with major attitude - designer dresses, way too much makeup and fake breasts for the women, hair gel and perfect 5pm shadow for the men.

    The lounge will be awesome if they can just teach the bartenders how to make a drink. We ordered gimlets with Bombay, and the server brought shots of Gibleys (!!!). Sent that back, got a ice cold glass of rancid lime juice on the second round. Sent that back, got the same glass with a bit of gin and simple syrup back. $10 each.

    Needless to say, if you want a proper drink, go to the Rockford. If you want attitude and atmosphere, go to Solas.

  • Deb08/13 08:05 AM

    So, what exactly IS the dress code, now that we have some first-hand experience? Is it actually defined anywhere? I haven’t had a chance to get there yet since they’ve officially opened.

  • Blzbub08/13 09:46 AM

    Are you guys really going to bring Jesus into a conversation about the dress code for a new club in Raleigh?  If you don’t like the rules and the “judgment”, don’t go.  Solas is a nice place.  Don’t you try to groom a bit and look presentable when going out for a night on the town?  If you don’t, why would you want to go to Solas in the first place.  Go pull up a stool at the Player’s Retreat and get blind on Miller High Life.  Jesus wouldn’t want to go to a place like Solas anyways, nor would they let him in.  So what?

  • Rusty08/13 09:56 AM

    Jesus spent a great deal of his ministry with tax collectors and prostitutes… Solas may not be somewhere he would have gone in his travels, but not for the reasons you’re portraying here.

    I too would like to hear what this “dress code” is, if there is actually anything official.

  • Enigma08/13 10:07 AM

    Awesome experience last night and it definitely deserves a TWO THUMBS UP!  Don’t worry about the dress code, it’s the same as any other very nice restaurant, in Raleigh or elsewhere.  Congrats SOLAS, and thanks!

  • Christopher Triplett08/13 10:42 AM

    Deb, as I found on a restaurant add listing (sorry, can’t find it again), the dress code was listed as: Business Casual.
    ------------------
    Enigma, I’m glad you had a pleasant experience.
    ------------------
    Blzbub and Rusty:  My comment about Jesus was party to a very general point:  Dress codes are -usually- not tolerant of different people and different cultures.  And they promote inequities between males and females.  That’s it.

  • Rusty08/13 11:00 AM

    Chris, I totally understood your point. It’s Blzbub’s that I was disagreeing with…

    Although “business casual” doesn’t sound especially oppressive, and I’d make the argument that the bar-scene as a whole lends itself towards promoting inequity between the sexes, and encourages a general air of chauvinism, objectification, and meaningless sex.

    But that’s really a larger social discussion isn’t it? smile

  • Christopher Triplett08/13 11:19 AM

    Well put!

    And yes, it definitely is a much larger social discussion.  Perhaps good subject matter for an article.  I recently started an examination of the social differences between Raleigh and Wilmington, two cities I’m very familiar with.  I guess I should get to writing this evening.
    ------------------
    Dress codes are something I’ve always associated with Wilmington night life, and especially 18-25 spots (which definitely promote the three elements Rusty mentioned).  Not that all or even most of their venues require dress codes, but I had never encountered one in Raleigh (except at Blue Martini).
    ------------------
    Raleigh has an elegant Southern Charm that says, everyone’s welcome, invited, and required to have a seat.  Keep it going.

  • M08/13 01:22 PM

    So yes we made it to Solas finally.  It was a good crowd for a Tuesday night.  Drinks were good, but the menu at the rooftop was a bit limited (if you don’t eat elk or duck) they did have Tufu and salads!  I’m hoping they add more sharable appetizers like Red Room (dips, etc)..  So on to the dress code..  Mostly Business Casual, as you would see in any other nice restaurant in Raleigh.  As the night progressed we did see more women in low cut dresses, shorts, typical nightlife attire.  Some men had jeans on, don’t recall any shorts.  The dance floor is pretty clear - we backed away when the guy below was looking up (we had dresses on).  All in all I liked the place, it reminded me of a big city place, very organized, lots of servers running around.  Although I see it more as a special occasion place or just to grab a drink.  Don’t even remember the music!  smile Enjoy!

  • Katie08/13 02:51 PM

    From the website: “Solas will not admit any sports or jersey wear, plain white t-shirts [some gangs use them for identification], tank tops, hats, boots (work or Tim’s), sneakers, flip-flops, chains, pendants, or shorts.”
    I, personally, don’t think that they are at all out of line in these requests. But hey, I like to look good when I go out. If you don’t, stick to Stool Pigeons across the street.

  • Katie08/13 02:56 PM

    PS: Nothing against Stool Pigeons. Their wings are awesome.

  • amanda08/25 10:18 AM

    Went there for the first time this weekend and thought it was great.  It was a change of scenery if nothing else- Breathing easy was on the rooftop..unlike Amra’s that night which nearly gave me lung cancer in the 20 minutes I was there.  Although the bartender was more of a ditz than I am, it was still a fun place.

  • miamiblue08/25 12:11 PM

    I checked out Solas on Saturday afternoon around 12:30pm with a few friends. We were participating in the Triangulator scavenger hunt and thought it would be cool to use the glass dance floor to fulfill one of our create your own adventure requirements ("Looking up, looking down"). We walked in and told the very pleasant hostess what we were interested in doing, and she quite happily obliged us. We were stoked until, as we started to ascend the stairs, a guy clad in an apron halted us and told us that we weren’t allowed to take pictures inside. We explained that the shot we had in mind would barely show anything but someone peering down through the glass dance floor, but he was adamant. What I think he really meant was that they didn’t want people like us inside, period (we were dressed to be outdoors and walking around all day). It didn’t matter that perhaps we were planning to stop there later and drop $500 on dinner (we weren’t, but we COULD HAVE been). 

    So consider yourselves warned, if you go to Solas, you better not have any plans to take pictures of the totally awesome time you and your friends have there. Wouldn’t want those pictures to fall into the wrong hands, y’know.

  • miamiblue08/25 12:13 PM

    I forgot to mention that the place was dead when we were there. So it didn’t seem as though we would have been interrupting anyone’s upscale experience.

  • Christopher Triplett08/25 01:12 PM

    So I went Friday evening, the weekend after it opened:
    -
    First off, the security setup is extreme and almost gave the whole place a negative air.  I don’t want to have to go past 1000 lbs of bouncers (there were 4 or 5) to get inside.  And then I don’t want to hear some douche bag on a walkie talkie in a suit dispatching drones to nondescript areas of the building.
    -
    After going up to the roof, we were greeted with a heavy crowd.  There were plenty of youngsters and oldsters “trying” to be youngsters.  I was looking for the young professional crowd, but there weren’t many of us there.  I listened to some man indirectly boast about his new condo in West on East, obviously going on about it so people would know.  I
    -
    The view was great, although I wish there was a bar or tables lining the Glenwood side of the glass barrier.  The music was also A+.  The drinks were decent, although a dollar or so more than what one would normally pay.
    -
    A waitress sat down to speak with us a few minutes.  She said they were short on serving trays and guest check folders.  At this point, I was still into it and loving the view.  I had to sit along side an older overweight gentleman (I was there first), who had obviously been downing his drinks too quickly.  I was accosted by his party while they yelled loudly and brashly moved about the very small seating area.  All of them seemed out of place.  Perhaps I did as well.
    -
    Then there was the lounge.  Music = good.  Atmosphere = good.  The dance floor looked nasty because the spilled drinks and footprints are so obvious on the transparent panels.  There were a load of ladies who couldn’t dance in heels.  There was a doped up thirties something man dancing scarily.  And outside on the balcony we were approached by an extremely load and drunk young lady.  Luckily, she wasn’t hostile.
    -
    Anyway...so I didn’t like the crowd.  And I want to go again to see how it all filters out.  All of the negative elements of the attendees I mentioned above are things I never encounter round and about.  Not to say they aren’t there, I just manage to avoid them.  They always seem to gather at the same sort of places, which I will not mention.
    -
    I would also like to see the whole thing be smoke free.  Why isn’t Raleigh smoke free?????
    -
    I’ll give it another chance.

  • Emily08/25 02:41 PM

    Finally went there and the food was really good.  I spent less than 5 minutes on the second floor b/c it was crowded.  The rooftop was crowded, but nice.  I felt weird being escorted up there past other people.  The exclusivity of it is understandable, but made me feel so weird, I left.  I understand that they have to keep the numbers reasonable, otherwise the place would get totally trashed.  But I think I’ll wait till the buzz dies down to go again.




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