Triangle Regional Rail Back on Track

A Plan for Commuting in 2020

February, 12, 2008 , by Chad

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Back in 2005 the headlines were saying Regional Rail In Peril and Easy, cheap rail proves elusive. On Monday, The Special Transit Advisory Commission’s recommendation of the triangle rail set those headlines as past circumstances. Although, that doesn’t mean the rail will now be easy… or cheap.

In 2020, the year slated for the launch of the triangle regional rail, the population may be expected to rise towards 1.5 million throughout the triangle. The $2 billion project will bring about 120 buses and 56 miles of tracks to usher commuters to Chapel Hill, Durham, Research Triangle Park, Cary, downtown Raleigh and North Raleigh.

There are three sections that the rail system will be comprised of—A 21-mile corridor along U.S. 15-501 from Chapel Hill/ UNC Hospital to Durham/ DukeMed; a 28-mile rail corridor between Durham/ DukeMed and downtown Raleigh; and a 10-mile downtown Raleigh to Interstate 540/ Northeast Raleigh rail corridor, which follows along Capital Boulevard.

The approval was reached by a consensus of a three-county citizens advisory group. Towards the end of February the recommendations will be available for public comment. From there, the recommendation will move to Wake, Durham and Orange county councils where the new local taxes will be considered to fund the project.

It might be difficult for triangle citizens to accept the benefits of new taxes that won’t have an impact for over ten years to come. So far, the plan for raising this money is laying heavily on drivers. Bob Geary has written a detailed article about the financial hurdles of this plan, and states:

The STAC’s discussion of funding is highly speculative, since there is currently no federal or state funding committed to the project nor much in the way of local money either. All that’s in hand for it is a 5 percent tax on car rentals in the three Triangle counties which the TTA’s been socking away since 1992. To reach $2 billion in potential capital funding, TTA General Manager David King said, the region’s counties would need to establish a half-cent sales tax or its equivalent and — perhaps — some additional tax on motor vehicle registrations ($10 a year on 1 million cars would yield another $10 million a year, for example). Then the state would have to be enticed to kick in, say, 25 percent funding.

While this plan is the first recommendation, the citizens advisory group is also expected to propose more bus, rail and streetcars through 2035.

In a recent N&O article, George Cianciolo, co-chairman of the 29-member advisory panel is quoted as saying, “We have to solve our problems now rather than pass it on to the next generation to do 20 or 30 years down the road. So I think it’s very important for people to take a look at this and say we can do it.”

 

 

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  • Dana
    02/12 02:41 PM

    This will likely get built. Much like the NC lottery, participation will be lower than expected, and elected officials and others will try to imply that those opting not to use the system are stupid.

    “Be Smart. Ride the TART (Triangle Area Rapid Transit”

  • Jim
    02/12 03:08 PM

    Yeah but completely unlike the lottery, participation will naturally grow, particularly as our roads clog, and those opting not to use the system are stupid.

  • 150
    02/12 03:25 PM

    Get this built.  The sooner the better. 

    Anyone who opposes this, and then complains about traffic on 40, gas prices, or the population increases in the triangle, needs to get a grip, in my opinion.

    Raleigh needs to look ahead and make some difficult decisions now.  Water, schools, and transportation are all going to become big problems in our area if action isn’t taken now.

    It’s going to take money to do these things.  I’m sure people will resist any sort of higher prices, but I think it’s needed, and it’s the trade-off for living in such a great area.

  • HelenTart
    02/12 03:57 PM

    Dana,
    I personally would love to have real mass transit in my home named after me smile

    Like Dana, I too once thought that the rail system was inevitable. And I told folks (conservative politicians mostly) that so often that they went out of their way to kill it. Or at least that what it seemed like to me when Charlotte got federal money for their train in half the time it has taken for the feds to shoot us down.

    Of course Charlotte did a couple of things that we haven’t done in the Triangle: they passed the half cent sales tax and they made land use a major part of their plan.

    The STAC has recommended the half sales tax part of the plan. However they, like TTA before them, have left out the biggest plus to mass transit—land use changes. TTA did eventually start including in developers in their plans for the rail system. Triangle Metro Center in the heart of RTP is still in the works.

    The half cent sales tax increase may be enough to get the federal funds.

    What the STAC needs to do right now is to push for an immediate sales tax increase and use it to help the local bus systems while the rail part is being worked out. Charlotte’s been using their sales tax increase all along to help fund their bus system. That was a big part of why the attempt to repeal the increase failed last election.

    I do wish the STAC folks all the luck in the world.

  • Dan R
    02/12 04:30 PM

    Charlotte had a couple of things going for them-Sue Myrick and Pat McCrory having their noses up Bush’s butt and a unified political/business base to support this. Remember the federal funding criteria had changed just as the TTA was going to get started-Charlotte had just squeezed in under the door. However, the Triangle has had nothing but fumbling and bumbling with its local group of political bumpkins (“gosh darn it we ain’t no New York City”).

  • JZ
    02/12 05:16 PM

    If we don’t do it now, its only going to get more and more expensive…... the NC and private Railroads have to learn to play well with others and step up to the plate…and citizens need to be more supportive of a project that is good for all….folks have to get it out of their heads that its supposed to go EVERYWHERE….just because it doesn’t pull right up outside of your house, does not mean it does not have value…..this is about shifting sprawl-based development patterns to something more urban and sustainable…...and besides, when one can no longer afford to fill your SUV because your 45+ minute daily commute is costing you too much, you’ll need these communities to be in place so you can move to them….

  • Drew
    04/22 09:15 PM

    Jim, I couldn’t agree more… grin

  • Faith
    04/23 08:11 PM

    Sweet Lord, please.  The sooner the better.

  • MM
    08/26 09:31 AM

    I don’t want to pay for regional rail I will never use. Only a limited amount of others will be riding it. Sure, Charlotte has light rail but there is only a small amount of people using it. Waiting for taxi’s and buses to take me from the train station to my work will take twice as long and that is the case with many people. It will be a major hassle and that is why many people are not sold on it including me. Better Bus routes with buslanes on the roads would work better and be much cheaper. I have read how many people think the bus is beneath them and want only a train. Ride the bus! I don’t want to fund your attitude problems.

  • go go girl
    08/26 12:06 PM

    Someone on this site recommended another website which I read and I took a way a powerful statement that I will attempt to paraphrase. ‘Rail forces development and buses follow it’ - IMO that said volumes.

    Decisions have been made and will continue to be made that will shape our community for many, many decades and beyond - ten dollar a gallon gas is not far away - how do we as a community and a Nation intend to deal with it?

    At this time buses are following the development patterns based on the car - not rail - and this has been sanctioned and supported by all levels of government. Unless smack in the middle of a city our work places and our homes were planned for cars alone.

    It wasn’t all that long ago that American cities - Raleigh included - had some decent urban rail and development ‘followed’ those routes. Tomorrow’s movie at the Colony - ‘Taken for a Ride’ - while certainly of one opinion and biased - might open some eyes to what once existed and what so many rail enthusiast like myself would like to see again.

    If no other reason see the movie in the ‘know your enemy’ mindset.

  • Deb
    08/26 12:45 PM

    MM: I don’t have any kids and don’t want my tax dollars going to public schools that I will never use. I’m not serious, but it’s the same concept. You will eventually benefit from having transit options in your metro area, even if not directly. These options will take many cars off the road so you can burn all the gas you want with less traffic.


    Have you lived in a city with busways and no viable rail system? I have, and people STILL don’t ride buses, because you’re not really gaining anything by still being in the same traffic. In fact, the bus is going to take much longer than driving your own car (even in a perfect world with busways everywhere) because of all the stops, and that is why the bus by itself is a hard sell.


    Let’s face it, we can’t add bus lanes to every single roadway in a metro area, so the bus is going to be on the same road as everyone else in many places. Without other transit options, that just doesn’t really improve much upon what we already have for the much larger future population of this area. It is much better to plan for the future than try to fix a mess once it is already an entrenched problem. There are plenty of cities that are examples of this, and if we can’t learn from them, then we deserve the mess we get.

  • HelenTart
    08/26 01:00 PM

    You Go, go go girl!


    I’m looking forward to the event Wednesday night. Besides the film about the story that is well known to transit folks, there will be an opportunity to find out ways to improve local transit options.

    I have ridden the local and regional bus systems, worked for decades to improve the bus choices, and seen the results of growth designed for the car. Every time I’ve heard the tired “buses instead of rail” argument, it’s from someone who wouldn’t ride a bus it you paid them. Luckily for them, to profit from transit they don’t have to ride it. Every car that is kept off the road by other choices like rail, buses, bikes, and walkable communities, is a car that will not be in the way of the folks who are tied to their single occupancy vehicle.

    Even if everyone here stays addicted to their automobile, there are half a million people on their way to this area. We need to plan for places for them to live and work that will not plow down the open space that is left.

    The event Wednesday night is a good way to continue to plan for the long-term success of our area.

  • MM
    10/20 04:50 AM

    I just love the way people who are not from Carolina love to tell us how to run our cities and towns. I love even more your snobbery against the people who were born and raised in NC. “However, the Triangle has had nothing but fumbling and bumbling with its local group of political bumpkins (“gosh darn it we ain’t no New York City”.  I have a message for you. If you’re into living in a big city with subways and trains move on and let us live in peace. We like our cars and am not interested in becoming “urban” We don’t want to live the way you do so go back to your big city you came from or create a new town somewhere else oh about 10,000 miles away!

  • AberZombie
    05/26 03:02 PM

    Geez.  I doubt in 2020, we’ll still be using trains..

  • Bradley Upchurch
    08/26 02:59 PM

    SHUT UP MM!!!!! RALEIGH IS AN URBAN CENTER IF YOU DONT WANT THAT THEN LIVE ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN THE SOUTH DOESNT MAKE YOU LESS URBAN. GET OVER YOURSELF AND REALIZE TAX DOLLARS ARE MEANT TO BENEFIT ALL PEOPLE NOT JUST YOUR WAY OF LIFE!! GET COWS AND LIVE IN JOHNSTON COUNTY!!!!!!!

    GO RALEIGH, BUILD THIS TRANSIT ASAP!

  • Bradley Upchurch
    08/26 03:03 PM

    OH and By the Way. I am a born and raised Raleigh Native. so um stop making illogical assumptions of the people supporting the transit

  • mm
    05/05 06:00 AM

    Ooh wee, Are we getting hot under the collar Bradley?

  • mm
    05/05 07:34 AM

    Uh Bradley, Stop making about assumptions about people against light rail. I live between Chapel Hill and Durham. I can be at the nearest store in a few minutes but I can have peace and quiet when I drive down my street (other than the dopes that try to crack the sound barrier with their stereos that drive by occasionally)  I rent a small house that is affordable and do not want to live on top of someone elses house. If you want to live in a jammed up multi use area with transit move to New York. I prefer having reasonable rent and mortgages personally and don’t want to be helping to foot the bill for your urban nightmare! I’m sure many folks in Raleigh feel the same way. As usual the minority are trying to get their way again!

    For anyone that wants to  

      Read and learn

    Transit & the American Dream
    The automobile has provided an incredible level of mobility to more than 90 percent of American families. But not everyone can drive. The first job of America’s transit systems should be to provide effective, efficient mobility to transit-dependent people.

    Unfortunately, this priority has often been forgotten as transit agencies have adopted another goal: that of attracting people who can drive out of their automobiles, supposedly because transit is more “sustainable” than automotive travel. Like selling air conditioners to Eskimos and heat lamps to North Africans, the cost of achieving this goal is much higher, per transit passenger, than the cost of improving service to transit-dependent people.

    Worse, the two goals are not always complementary. Conventional wisdom in the transit industry holds that transit-dependent people will ride a bus, but people who can drive will only be attracted to rail transit. Rail transit costs far more than bus service, and to pay for the rails, many transit agencies cut back on their bus services.

    The real problem with transit agencies is that they face the wrong incentives. Passenger fares cover little more than a third of transit operating costs, and only a quarter of operating plus capital costs. Transit agencies thus are more beholden to federal, state, and local appropriators than to their customers. It is easier for agencies to build their empires by convincing Congress to give them “free” federal dollars for rail transit than to do the hard work of figuring out how to better meet the needs of transit riders.

    This problem is compounded by perverse incentives in transit budgeting and operations. First, the federal government dedicates most of its funds to capital improvements, not operations. Transit agencies come to ignore the high capital costs of certain kinds of transit, favoring large buses over smaller ones and rail over buses.

    Second, most states have granted transit agencies legal monopolies in their markets. Though private entrepreneurs could often provide better transit services, they are forbidden from doing so except for airport travelers. The lack of competition means that transit agencies can neglect transit-dependent people with impunity.

    Thus, reforming transit means more than just rerouting transit lines or emphasizing buses or other low-cost transit instead of rails. True reforms would introduce competition into transit markets. One way of doing so would be to give subsidies, in the form of vouchers, to transit riders instead of transit agencies. Riders could spend their vouchers with any transit provider, and the providers would turn the vouchers in for cash.

  • mm
    05/05 07:38 AM

    For More info go to this site:

    Get educated on the real agenda behind light rail

    http://americandreamcoalition.org/welcome.html

  • gd
    05/05 08:38 AM

    In a recent poll something like 60 and some odd percent said they would be willing to pay higher taxes to have some kind of rails.  I’d be willing, but its not happening fast enough.

    So long little city.

  • mm
    05/05 10:17 PM

    Obviously they didn’t poll the whole State of NC

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