Acree Friday, March 20, 2009

Restaurants

What’s Your Favorite Outdoor Dining & Patio Space in Raleigh?

By now we all know Boylan Bridge Brewpub is a great place to enjoy the newfound spring weather. But as we’re finally seeing the end of long winter months of tightening our coats and strolling past the metal chairs stacked outside our favorite establishments (sometimes with snow piled on top), we’re starting to remember what it’s like to enjoy a meal or drink under that old friend the sun, and in the process we’re falling in love with our old favorites all over again.

On this, the inaugural day of spring, we let you know where we love to spend some time outside. What spots are you looking forward to rediscovering?

Take our poll on your favorite outdoor Restaurant/Bar >

Photos courtesy of Abby Ladybug; you can view her photostream here.

Tim

The patio at Sadlack’s Heroes is not just an outdoor space, it is the community’s front porch. Conveniently located across from the NCSU bell tower, nestled between the record shop and the bus stop (jokingly referenced as the last stop before Dix Hill), it is a place where everyone is welcome. At any given time you’ll find a mix of academics, street punks, dogs, kids, career professionals, and the tradesmen that are at the core of this blue collar country club. From patrons strumming guitars to full fledged rock shows, the patio at Sad’s is a tried and true venue for both local and touring acts. As for people watching, Sad’s is hands down the best. Aside from the general sidewalk action and steady stream of drivers stuck at the intersection, you have prime real estate for viewing organized activities by the bell tower such as Iraq War protests and Critical Mass. On a good day, you almost feel like you’re participating even though you’re just swilling a cold one across the street and soaking up the sun like a lizard on a rock.

Chad

The Seaboard Cafe at Logan’s Trading Company is a great place to have lunch on a beautiful day. While Sadlack’s is definitely my favorite spot to hang outside, The Seaboard Cafe provides a great compliment to roaming for herbs and summer crops. I usually get one of their burgers and sit out in the filtered light near all the herbs. The patio is situated on what used to be the platform of the train station. The smell of dirt while eating lunch is great. Sometimes dragonflies will come by and recite funny poems in your ear.

David

I hope I’m not stepping on any toes when I recommend the Legend’s patio to both straight and gay folks looking for a nice place to have a drink outside.  The courtyard within Legend’s is massive, stocked with fountains and benches and an outdoor bar. The lighting is just enough and the open sky above offers something that I don’t think any other bar or restaurant has in downtown Raleigh.  The seclusion of the courtyard is comfortable and quiet compared to the warehouse district outside its door, and the club as a whole is one of the cleanest establishments in the city.  Legend’s is a gay playground so straight folks should go in expecting that, but as a straight man I have never felt uncomfortable there; in fact it was the first place I kissed my girlfriend.

Acree

While Morning Times is in some ways the obvious choice (we can’t publish an article without praising an Empire property), to talk about Raleigh patio spaces and not mention the sidewalk seating on Hargett Street would be a travesty.

I can think of few moments that rival the sense of genuine community felt when enjoying a drink outside the Times on a sunny afternoon. The Raleigh Times Bar and Morning Times coffee shop, rather than enclosing customers in a sectioned-off patio out back like most restaurants, plop their tables right on the sidewalk. Surely this grew out of necessity as much as choice – no downtown property is without its space limitations – but the Times turned limitation into opportunity by breaking past the fourth wall and challenging the American addiction to privacy and obsession with “personal space.”

Paradoxically, the restaurants’ engagement with the public gives customers a sense of breathing room and space to stretch their legs, rather than a confined feeling of being stepped on by passersby or drowned out by traffic sounds. Most customers find it refreshing to mix freely with bicyclists and runners, dogs and shoppers, the noises of the street and the view of downtown. On the Hargett Street sidewalk, there are no beer drinkers, no coffee drinkers, no bums or passersby, just the people of Raleigh sharing an outdoor space.

Jedidiah

Outdoor patios have a few requirements in my book: urbanity, energy and view. Sadly, Raleigh has few, if any, patios that fulfill the view requirement (maybe Solas and Boylan Bridge Brewpub), but there are many that thoroughly provide an urban setting full of energy. Raleigh Times wins hands down, but since Acree has already chatted up The Times, I’ll talk about two pizza joints that are great places to enjoy food and a beer while sitting outside. Lilly’s Pizza in the Five Points area has been a Raleigh institution for years. During the summer months the tables outside are hard to grab and standing around with beer in hand waiting for a spot is common. While Five Points is slowly losing its edge, Lilly’s holds down the culture that is left in the area (especially the street culture). The only problem I have with Lilly’s outdoor patio is the fact that it isn’t connected to Third Place’s and there’s too much of a defined edge by the sidewalk.

In contrast to the defined edge that is created at Lilly’s Pizza, Vic’s Ristorante Italiano in City Market is probably one of the most urban outdoor patios in downtown Raleigh (besides The Times and possibly Fayetteville Street Tavern). Vic’s is a fabulous place to have a bite to eat for lunch or dinner when it’s warm outside. The energy in City Market is almost always bustling with people coming and going from Artspace, shops and the Farmer’s Market. The cobble stone streets hint at a European vibe, as do many other aspects of Vic’s outdoor experience. Vic’s Ristorante Italiano is about as close as Raleigh gets to having a storefront bistro on Boulevard St. Germain in Paris.


Take our poll on your favorite outdoor Restaurant/Bar >

  • olebill03/20 02:06 PM

    The rooftop patio at The Busy Bee will be the best, at least in terms of views, when it opens.

  • Jason/North Hills Buzz03/20 02:49 PM

    I like Raleigh Times, Mellow Mushroom, the space out back at Landmark, Flying Saucer, Lily’s Pizza and Cinelli’s here at North Hills.

    Can’t wait for warmer weather to get here and stay.

  • Mary E.03/20 02:54 PM

    Don’t forget Moonlight Pizza!

  • mgd03/20 02:56 PM

    I say with out a doubt it is that classy place on Avent Ferry call Sammys.  I had the most wonderful dining experience there.

  • arthurb303/20 02:57 PM

    Lillys Pizza and The Borough are the favs because I like the traffic going by and the food/drinks. I don’t like children running around and screaming and crying and these both don’t have these.

  • RR03/20 03:04 PM

    Lilly’s Pizza. Hands Down.

  • Sam03/20 03:06 PM

    I agree, Moonlight is awesome.  For someone that appreciates the humor of peeks into other people’s lives, hearing the music and snippets of conversation from the cars stopped at Boylan and Morgan is priceless.  Same goes for Armadillo Grill on Glenwood, which on Saturday nights provides an endless parade of the strange, the stupid, and the weird.

  • ben03/20 03:39 PM

    the courtyard behind Sitti

  • smitty03/20 06:11 PM

    Watching drunk girls trip over the curb in front of Armadillo provides endless entertainment.

  • Joshua03/20 07:16 PM

    i agree with Chad, i like chilling with a burger and some garden supplies at Logan’s. it’s also nice on misty days under the umbrellas.

  • John03/20 08:02 PM

    Rudino’s Rooftop
    The Flying Saucer
    Dos Taquitos (on Creedmooor Rd.)
    Hibernian (on Glenwood)
    Boylan Bridge

  • stac03/20 08:41 PM

    I like the busy corners.  Borough is great.  Living near city market, I like 101’s corner. convenient and lots of business people walking by after work.

  • John03/21 08:48 AM

    Don’t forget MoJoe’s on the corner of Peace and Glenwood.  It’s also on a busy corner and offers both covered and uncovered outdoor dining.

  • Hans03/21 08:50 AM

    Pitchers all day, color chalk for kids, two levels/patios… moonlight is always my pick…

    Solas for out of town guests is a must see…

    but I really miss the uncovered patio at moe joes… I wish it was a retractable roof.

  • Peter03/21 09:32 AM

    Love the blogging and suggestions but I think outdoor seating and patios are two distinct venues, places, and atmospheres.  Sure, you could consider slapping a bunch of mismatched tables outside Raleigh Times outdoor seating but it is not fair to put them in the same category of Humble Pie/Solas/Moonlight.

    Sidewalks with tables, good.  Patios on corners, better…. just my thoughts.  Blogoha!

  • roi03/21 10:17 AM

    High Park Bar and Grill on whitaker Mill Rd has covered patio area (about 12 tables) with TV’s to watch games if that is your cup of tea.  Also Neomande’s on Beryl Rd near Meredith College…..two good choices.

  • Dave10103/21 10:56 AM

    I would obviously vote for 101 (…if it was an option in the poll!).  Once we receive city approval, we should have the new outdoor arrangement built and exterior signage up. 


    Otherwise, I lean towards anywhere that is dog friendly.  Humble Pie, Moonlight, Vic’s, Landmark and MoJoe’s, just to name a few…

  • RaleighRob03/21 01:28 PM

    Wow…between the article and the comments, most of my true favorites are already mentioned.  Only one that I can think to add would be Thaiphoon: Raleigh’s best Thai food plus a great seating area next to a Koi pond.  Can’t beat that.

  • Enigma03/21 01:31 PM

    The Cameron Village Draft House wins hands down.

  • mgd03/21 02:00 PM

    If its Real Thai food and outdoor seating try http://sawasdeerestaurant.com/

  • Andrew03/21 03:52 PM

    Unfortunately, Vic’s Ristorante is wholly undeserving of a shout out on this list.  My friends and I have been boycotting it for some time in light of what could only be described as racist behavior on the part of the staff.

    A year and a half ago, while eating on the patio, we observed the owner ask the only black customer (who was sitting at the table next to us) to take his food to go.  We had chatted with the man since the moment he arrived and he didn’t do anything to warrant the way he was treated.  He ordered a pizza, which they brought to him in a bag.  The waiter, who was kind enough to us, brought him his food and said, “We’re happy to serve you, sir, but we’re going to have to ask that you eat this somewhere else.”  When neighboring tables began to protest his treatment, the manager/owner (I can’t remember which) came out and tried to defend their actions by referring to the man as a “vagrant,” despite the fact that he paid for his food just like everyone else.  It was a very strange experience.  Almost all the folks on the patio were deathly embarrassed, and virtually everyone called for their checks and left immediately.  I haven’t been back since.

  • Chico03/21 07:21 PM

    I don’t know all of the circumstances of Andrew’s experience at Vic’s, but it seems completely out of character that anyone there would single out someone solely based on their color. I go to Vic’s on average about once every two weeks, and I’m a black man every time. They have never been anything but polite and courteous to me. I know most of the servers by name, and because of the service I consider it one of my favorite downtown spots. They have the best pizza in downtown Raleigh, and one of the most charming outdoor seating areas of any restaurant in town. Perhaps there was some history between that patron and management, I don’t know. And it could be that they were just rude. But racist? My experiences contradict that regularly.

  • Micah03/22 12:33 PM

    You can’t know the history between the man that was asked to leave after he got his food and the Vic’s management.  If he was a problem in the past for them, they shouldn’t have sold him anything though.  On a possibly unrelated note, it bothers me that people are so quick to shout “racism!” at times now, when they should shout “class-ism!”  They are totally different.

  • el beanzo03/22 01:32 PM

    Smitty, you are correct. There is nothing more entertaining than sitting outside of The ‘Dillo and watching “The Skank Parade”.We have sat outside of there for hours as we watch Glenwood’s finest stumble about. Very amusing.

  • Imagine Raleigh03/22 02:37 PM

    My favorite would be Sadlacks. My other favorite would then be Slim’s which offers a great view of the city. I am also very fond of the Fayetteville street tavern and the Landmark.

    I don’t pose for crowds when I drink so these places bring peace to my soul.

    The all time winner, except for Sadlacks is the forgotten old Cantina when they served buckets of beer next to the Brewery and the two person patio at Mitch’s tavern. I also like the fire escape at the Pour House.

  • mgd03/22 05:01 PM

    I still say Sammys b/c it has the best service!

    Yea I went on one of the “patios” at Mitch and almost crapped my pants!

    And there is only one reason to hang out by a fire escape.

  • Pirate03/23 09:54 AM

    Vic’s has the best outdoor dining experience by far.  The food is incredible and the pizza is by far the best that Raleigh has to offer.  The staff has always treated me like family. 

    Outdoor area outside of Landmark is nice as well.

  • richardfoc03/23 03:57 PM

    Good call Imagine Raleigh! The Cantina when it first opened was awesome! Just a house with a counter, decent mexican food and buckets of beer. Spent many a night standing in the front yard. I still love Sadlack’s but must admit some of the “divey” charm was lost with the renovations. I always enjoyed the challenge of keeping the hem of your pants dry in the bathroom.

  • hbomb03/23 09:46 PM

    i second what chico said. i eat there usually once every two weeks as well and their pizza is definitely the best in raleigh. as for telling the dude he had to leave, well it’s simple. they have a policy (in print on the door) that states if you get take away, take it away. you’re not supposed to eat it there on their tables reserved for in house dining customers. spend 3 bucks on a slice and take it with you. spend 20-30 bucks on an entire meal, you eat there. it’s not an uncommon practice. and if the dude was a vagrant, it’s absolutely the restaurant’s responsibility to keep them from asking you for change. again, don’t know andrew’s experience, but those guys are always super awesome to me and anyone that i dine with.

    oops, and the outdoor dining is great. and slim’s and landmak are the best outdoor bar venues.

  • andrew03/24 07:30 AM

    It seems like no one read what I wrote, so let me be really clear.  The guy ordered his food to eat in.  He was told he needed to take it to go.  He was not disruptive whatsoever and he wasn’t asking anyone for money. 

    So maybe it wasn’t his race but the fact that he was poor?  Either way, I’m not eating there.  If someone’s got the money to pay, you’ve got an obligation to serve them, regardless of where they lay there head at night.  Calling them a “vagrant” doesn’t somehow excuse things.

    Look, this isn’t in my head.  Everyone on the patio that night knew the score.  Everyone was disgusted by the guy’s treatment, and nearly everyone left the restaurant immediately in protest. 

    There’s lots of good places to eat in Raleigh.  All I’m saying is I prefer to frequent places that treat people—be they black, white, rich or homeless—the same.

  • STFU03/24 10:39 AM

    Andrew sounds like someone better served by the whiney liberals over in Chapel Hill and Carrboro.

    I am sure there is more to the Vic’s story. They got a great scene, great food and good service.

  • Micah03/24 11:56 AM

    Andrew, I am sure there is more to the story than you know.  Oh, and they have NO legal obligation to serve ANYONE, money or no money.  They are a private business.  You also have no obligation to eat there.

  • Betsy03/24 01:33 PM

    There is, in fact, a legal obligation by a restaurant with regard to serving customers.

    It is a violation of the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 to deny admission or service to any person or to seat persons differently on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin.  A restaurant is a “place of public accommodation” subject to this law.

    Whether the customer referred to was denied service based on race (unlawful) or another (lawful) consideration is a matter of factual determination. 

    If the facts are as described by Andrew, a jury or judge could reasonably find a violation of federal civil rights law.  The restaurant is treading on *extremely* thin ice.  Their attorney and their insurance carrier should be concerned.

  • mgd03/24 03:33 PM

    LOL The crazy things people say!

  • Micah03/24 05:51 PM

    You are correct, Betsy.  A private business cannot discriminate based on race, ethnicity, or national origin. But, they can discriminate for any other reason, since it is a private business.  They can remove you from their premises because they don’t like your shoes, think your perfume stinks, or because they just don’t like you.

  • el beanzo03/24 06:58 PM

    Calm down Betsy. You and Andrew sound like a couple of busy bodies. You sound like the type of person that would actually go the extra step and try to ruin a fine establishment just because of some nonsense you read on an internet blog. Your time is better spent writing letters to the gov’t concerning violent video games and calling the FCC because a curse word slipped out on live TV.

  • el beanzo03/24 07:00 PM

    *extremely* thin ice…

    You make me physically ill.

  • Betsy03/24 09:01 PM

    Please, let’s refrain from personal attacks.  I was just trying to clarify a point of law that Micah raised.  The “extremely thin ice” statement is a legal opinion on the facts given, not a moral judgment.  Anyway, I hope you feel better soon.

  • Imagine Raleigh03/24 09:25 PM

    I have a hidden patio where I hide in plain sight. It has the coldest beer and is a very old Raleigh bar. No posing at this bar which has the best juke Box in town.

    It is locaited in the Glenwood area and has always been. Are you really cool or a trendy fool? Where is it.

  • Imagine Raleigh03/24 09:33 PM

    Good try and I admit the Hard Times Chili place in Glenwood South has a great patio but it is not old enough by a decade or two.

    I love the Hard Times Chili patio because it offers a secure area to park a bike. Good food and a real patio. My place for St. Patricks/Cinco day.

    It also sports a piece of art by the dude who did the big mud rings at the art museum. The shimmer wall and exploris wall dude.

  • Micah03/24 09:37 PM

    Am I really cool if I pick Office Tavern?

  • Imagine Raleigh03/24 11:03 PM

    No!!! but your are correct. This bar has started to pick up with an youthful early Glenwwod crowd drinking at an affordable price. If the NASCAR race is on TV the Juke Box is turned off. Other than pretending to really like NASCAR, you can really be yourself at the Office tavern.

  • claire04/23 01:11 PM

    Actually the original OT was where Lilly’s Pizza is now in 5 Points. Dang! There I go showing my age again! (Actually I think was officially underage when it was there, now that I think about it. Ga.)

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